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Bluebird Banter Top Prospect Review: 1-10

With the season coming to a close, it is time to take a look at how the players on our Top 40 Prospect list performed this year. It isn't a reorder, we'll get to doing that sometime in the off-season, this is just a look at how the guys we picked out as our best prospects did in 2011.

1. Kyle Drabek: You know the story. Started the season in the rotation. He started our second game of the year and pitched great, 7 inning of 1 hit ball, 3 walks, 7 strikeouts. I thought he'd be in the rotation for years. It all went downhill from there. He made 13 more starts for us before being sent down to Vegas. In his 14 starts he was 4-5 with a 5.70 ERA but the big number was the 52 walks in 72.2 innings. Things didn't improve for him in Vegas, he made 15 starts there, going 5-4 with a 7.44 ERA. He gave up 111 hits and 41 walks in 75 innings  for the 51's. That's not to say there wasn't any good starts in Vegas, the game I saw him pitch there was pretty good, and he had some other good starts but all in he was pretty bad. He's been back with us in September but hasn't pitched enough to be able judge him. I'd think he has almost no chance of making the rotation out of spring training next season. He's going to have to go back and get everything working consistently again before he gets another shot with the team. I think it is pretty safe to say that he won't have the number 1 spot on our list next year.

2. Brett Lawrie: Again, you know the story, looked great in spring training and had many of us wishing the team would take him north with them, but they sent him to Vegas. He hit amazingly well in Vegas, .353/.415/.661. He was about to be called up to Toronto then got hit in the hand with a pitch and misses most of month of playing time. When he finally gets to Toronto he doesn't disappoint in the least, he hit .293/.373/.580 before breaking a finger during infield practice, last week. His defense surprised me, I didn't expect him to be this good. He's going to make some error but has really good range at 3rd. Can't wait to see him play next season.

3. Zach Stewart: Traded to the White Sox in the deal that ended up getting us Colby Rasmus. He's 2-5 with a 6.22 ERA with the White Sox but pitched a 1 hitter back on September 5th. 

4. J.P. Arencibia: Our starting catcher, set a new team record for home runs by a catcher with 23 (so far) and is just 1 short of the team rookie record. He has driven in 78 runs, good for 3rd on the team. The down side is the .220 average and the .280 OBP. I think he'll improve on those numbers, he battled through a sore thumb in the middle of the season, that effected his swing. The question is: will he improve enough to keep the catcher's job when Travis d'Arnaud is ready to make the jump to the majors. His defense has been a work in progress, he's looked better as the season went along, but good seems a little ways off yet. He has thrown out 24% of base stealers.

5. Adeiny Hechavarria: The most amazing thing happened, somewhere between New Hampshire and Las Vegas, Adeiny figured out how to hit a ball. Maybe Vegas hitting coach, Chad Mottolo, is a magician? Maybe the heat in Vegas reminded Adeiny of home? Well, not that last one, Vegas is dry, I'm imagining Cuba's pretty humid and the 51's didn't play much in Vegas in August. Anyway, Adeiny hit .235/.275/.347 at New Hampshire, then was moved up to Vegas. Why? I really don't know. Nothing in his numbers suggested he should be promoted, but he goes on to hit .389/.431/.537 in 108 at bats for Vegas. Now small sample size and all that, but Mottolo said that he made a change in Hechavarria's swing and it looks like it worked. It would have been nice to see him in Toronto, especially with Yunel hurt, but citizenship issues got in the way. I'm sure we will see him next year, at some point.

6. Anthony Gose: Anthony took a nice step forward this season, hitting .253/.349/.415 in New Hampshire with 70 steals and only 15 times caught. The numbers may not look great but he was only 20, and was playing in Double-A for the first time. He took 62 walks, a nice step up from last year in A-Ball and his success rate in stolen bases improved greatly. Last year he stole 45 bases and was  caught 32 times. His defense and his speed are his best selling points, if he can be average with the bat, he will be a very valuable player with the range he has in CF. That great arm doesn't hurt either. 

7. Deck McGuire: They told us, when he was drafted, that he would move up the system quickly. His first pro season started in Dunedin, where he went 7-4 with a 2.75 ERA in 19 games, 18 starts. He struck out 102 and walked 38 in 104.2 innings. He finished the year in New Hampshire, making 3 starts and relieving once. He was 2-1 with a 4.35 ERA there, but 22 strikeouts and 7 walks in 20.2 inning looks pretty good. He'll start next year at Double-A, but, if he does well, and if there is a need, we might see him in Toronto by the end of the season. 

8. Travis d'Arnaud: Travis didn't put up the greatest numbers in 2010 and we dropped him a few spots in the rankings, this year he was great and he'll move up a few. Catchers do tend to have up years and down years. Part of playing the position is that you play with little nicks and bruises. Sometimes they effect your batting. This year, Travis hit .311/.371/.542 with 21 home runs in 114 games with the Fisher Cats. He was the team and the league MVP. He's at the point that, if JP were to be injured, he could end up seeing some playing time in Toronto next year or he could be a September call up next year. Then, in 2013 he could challenge JP for the starting job. 

9. Carlos Perez: Carlos didn't have the best of seasons. After hitting .298/.396/.438 in Auburn last year, he hit .256/.320/.355 in Lansing this year. He is just 20 and has a long way to go. I'm sure he'll have more ups and downs. His caught stealing percentage has gone down, each of the last two seasons. In 2009 he caught 49% of runners trying to steal, last year it was 36% and this year it is 29%. and he made 14 errors this year. I still like him but would really like to see a bounce back year next year. 

10. Henderson Alvarez: Who'd have thought he'd be up in the majors already. And who thought he'd have so much success, right off the start of his major league career? Henderson made a couple of starts for Dunedin, then was promoted to New Hampshire where he went 8-4 with a 2.86 ERA for New Hampshire,  Henderson struck out 66 and walked 17 in 88 Double-A innings. He's had 9 good starts with the Jays. He's just 1-2 but with a 3.65 ERA, 8 walks, 34 strikeouts in 56.2 innings. He's been a ground ball throwing machine.  He's gone at least 5 innings in each of his 9 starts and at least 6 in all but his first 2 major league starts. He hasn't walked more than 2 in any of his starts. The future looks bright. 

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Good post idea

How about that #1 though

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by jays182 on Sep 27, 2011 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sure what you are telling me...

we shouldn’t have picked Kyle as our number 1 prospect last January? Maybe, but then we weren’t the only ones to make the same mistake.

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by Tom Dakers on Sep 27, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is it even a mistake?

Last year, based on everything all those prospects had done to that point, Drabek was the #1 prospect.

Hic sunt fortuna dracones

by JaysfanDL on Sep 27, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's my point

I don’t understand what Jay182’s point was.

I blog, therefore I am.

by Tom Dakers on Sep 27, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol what? Misinterpreted

I meant “boy how about Drabek. DIdn’t have a #1 prospect type of year”.

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by jays182 on Sep 27, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Drabek has as good a shot as anybody at a rotation spot next year

The only sure slots in the rotation would belong to Romero and Morrow right now. Cecil has been inconsistent too, McGowan may not have the stamina to start, and Alvarez is only 21 and needs to work on his third pitch. There’s currently no Jo-Jo Reyes type without options that needs a slot and Stewart has been traded away. Currently, there are six legitimate guys for five spots and injuries can always happen. If there are no injuries and no additions, my guess is that Cecil, Alvarez, Drabek and McGowan fight for 3 rotation spots. I’m guessing Carreno, Perez and Mills are all in the pen or AAA. With those odds, Drabek has a very good chance to win a spot, the talent’s there, he just needs to show it this spring.

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by JaysfanDL on Sep 27, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

agreeed

i’m still real high on drabek

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by Pikachu on Sep 27, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.. at the beginning of the season most of us were too high on Drabek. This season has been a reality check and most of us have gone the other way… we’re too low on him. He’ll probably pan out somewhere in the middle, probably as a #3 starter.. maybe for us, maybe for someone else

by khaleeji on Sep 27, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have Alvarez as the number 3 starter next season....

He´s a groundball machine… he was consistent in his starts in the big league…. like Tom said… every star at least 5 innings…. and i like strike throwers.

If Drabek will find the strike zone next season he´ll have a shot at the rotation…

"Touch ´em all, Joe!"

by jaysfanfromeurope on Sep 27, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know I don't post here a lot...

But I’m going to make a wild- prediction and say…

1. Romero
2. Morrow
3. Cecil
4. McGowan
5. a fight between Alvarez, Drabek, and some other pitcher the jays decide to pick up in the offseason (or trades)…

With point 5… Honestly the Jays have been doing this for a while
2 years ago=Dana Eveland
1 year ago= I don’t know why I say this because I know he was picked up way earlier (but I guess he was in AAA- SO IT COUNTS jeez)- Jo-Jo Reyes

by Vancouverbluejay on Sep 27, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

when only 2 of your top 10 take a step back (Perez and Drabek),

It’s a pretty good sign. And Drabek is still so young he has time to figure it out.

I am a fan of a team in the NBA, MLB, NHL, and NFL. I haven't seen the playoffs since April 28th, 2008 (1st round exit by raps). I haven't seen playoffs past the 1st round since January 26th, 2006. Stop and think about how insane it is. And depressing.

by Eddie.Teach on Sep 27, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe Perez picked it up near the end of the season too

It was also his first year playing full season baseball. At his age, a little fatigue is to be expected.

Hic sunt fortuna dracones

by JaysfanDL on Sep 27, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arencibia and d'Arnaud

I don’t see why we can’t keep both. There’s usually 2 catchers on the roster anyways and neither will play full time due to the wear and tear of the position. I suppose defense would be the only question if both bats are good. One could DH if there was a need for both in the lineup.

by Canuckian on Sep 27, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

The looser of the starter battle will be a big trade ship… too expensive to bench him… that´s why a lot of people think Arencibia will be traded when d´Arnaud enters the circus

"Touch ´em all, Joe!"

by jaysfanfromeurope on Sep 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya if you believe Arencibia will be (already is) a top 10 catcher in the league and same with D’Arnaud, it would be a bit inefficient to have them split a season instead of each playing 110 games or so… we can see how they both progress next year and decide afterwards.

by Dr_Furious on Sep 27, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did like "ship" better...

it has such a marine sound to it…

"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)

by HESS2479 on Sep 28, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

But trade ships are vulnerable to pirates :(

I'm more than a little jealous of Grantland's ability to use footnotes rather than excessively long bracketed statements.

by Gerse on Sep 28, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I am most impressed with Alvarez

Considering he is still working on his slider and Bruce got him to change his windup in the majors. He seems to be able to learn and still have good stuff against MLB hitters. Although it is a small sample size I like his chances next year.

Drabek I am not as sure of, I suppose most people will be think I am to negative but I think it is a lot harder to teach a guy to throw strikes than to teach pitches. He may work out but he has a lot of work to do.

Not much to say about Lawrie other than he rocks.

by L0ngBau on Sep 27, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

JP vs. D’Arnaud

If Travis is the real deal and he can hit then great but JP has had a good rookie season. If he can get that average closer to .250 he would be amazing with that power.

by L0ngBau on Sep 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

d'Arnaud's been a better prospect than JPA every offseason but last

I think he’s a substantially better prospect than JP is. that said, if JP keeps improving into, say, a 3 win catcher (I don’t think that’s out of the question at all) then he’ll have serious value in the trade market. good problem to have.

as well, the most fun to be had with this prospect review will be when we get into the middling prospects – Hutch, Marisnick, Molina, etc. should be fun.

by benk on Sep 27, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I know casual Jays fans won't be happy if JPA is traded

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by Frag on Sep 27, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be worried about the casual fans..

I think the women of Toronto might riot in the streets.

by ABsteve on Sep 27, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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I have a feeling this image will be misinterpreted.

"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Sep 27, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Sink or swim actually reminds me of a Breaking Benjamin song…

Here's my attempt at a witty sig. Didn't really go so well, methinks.

Wise men wonder, while strong men die.

by Cam Oegema on Sep 28, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa, you guys were pretty high on Hecherravia.

Props to you guys for having Alvarez at 10. Most people had him a little bit lower around 15-20. I love his arm!

by Sniderlover on Sep 27, 2011 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

fwiw, which is little

AA thought he was our best pitching prospect (might have been before Drabek though)

by benk on Sep 27, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last winter

Alvarez was as close to an untouchable prospect as any we had in the system.

by Alan F. on Sep 29, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chad Mottola

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 27, 2011 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

But Mottolo sounds so hungarian...

"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)

by HESS2479 on Sep 28, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not move Gose to AAA

And have the hitting coach work on him?

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by BenjiDoc on Sep 27, 2011 11:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

point of order

Hech had actually been on an impressive hot streak (.375/.417/.500/.917) for two weeks BEFORE his promotion to Vegas. But i believe there was some report about a mechanical change of some sort.

by TamRa on Sep 28, 2011 1:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Something about rebuilding, technology, several million dollars

I'm more than a little jealous of Grantland's ability to use footnotes rather than excessively long bracketed statements.

by Gerse on Sep 28, 2011 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I heard there was adamantium involved…

Here's my attempt at a witty sig. Didn't really go so well, methinks.

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by Cam Oegema on Sep 28, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its way too early to say he's gotten better

he has a much longer track record of doing nothing with the bat.

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by Pikachu on Sep 28, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

guys don't turn from .267 BABIP guys

to .471 BABIP guys (!!!!!!!) overnight, even with Chad “the Miracle Worker” Mottola teaching them

by benk on Sep 28, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Im AA...

I dont see why Hech cant move to 2nd. Im ready to give him the starting job. I’d tell him to prep to challenge for that job this Spring. HE CANNOT hit any worse than our Hill/Johnson duo this year.

Drabek’s mechanics are all over the place. He doesn’t have a repeatable delivery this year. Roy H had this problem at some point. I guess its typical with young pitchers. I think much of his problem is he tries too hard. He gets in his own way. If he can clear his head and get a consistent delivery—He can be an ACE.

This is where Alverez is soo good. The guy gives up a Big HR…no problem..it has no effect on his pitches or delivery.

As much as I love Moonraker…There is going to be a real battle this spring for those outfield spots. Jays management is so High on Sierra and Gose. Thames, Sierra, Gose, Snider, Raja Davis, Loewen. Its going to be fun to watch who wins the job.

by Hyepwrd on Sep 28, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

you think a guy who wOBA’d .272 in AA “can’t hit worse” than Johnson’s .315 wOBA?

by benk on Sep 28, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did say the tandom of Hill/johnson

Whats Johnson numbers for us? .268/.359/.411? You really want to pay that guy 6,7,8mill/yr or whatever? What do you suppose a guy thats hitting .389/.431/.537 in AAA (similar stats the last 2 weeks in AA) will hit up here? .230? Plus his glove is 5star. I’d rather save that money. Im against spending FA money on an average player like johnson or hill.

by Hyepwrd on Sep 28, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

yes, .760 wOBA with excellent OBA and decent defense from 2B is very good. I’m not even going to bring up BABIP luck because I don’t think you know what that means

by benk on Sep 29, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Benk

The argument is not whether Johnson is a decent MLB starter at 2nd base. He’s a patient hitter that takes walks, gets on base and turns a nice double play. The question is how much worse could Hech’s production be than total production we had from that position this year( or a platoon of Hech and Mccoy). Signing Johnson this year will restrict options for the jays for the next 4,5 years(or whatever term Johnson signs for). If we didnt have anyone in the minors Im all for Johnson. But we have a potential GG player at AAA that’s been tearing the cover off the ball.

by Hyepwrd on Sep 30, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Moving Hech to 2nd.

Why move a possible amazing player at shortstop, when you could move your current, above average shortstop to 2nd base…doesn’t make sense to move Hech to 2nd.

Not changing my signature until Hechavarria is promoted to the big leagues.
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by Joey Kirby on Sep 28, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the reason is obvious...Pride

Escobar has played borderline GOLD GLOVE defense at Short for us. Plus he’s hit very well. A 5 year vet who is a borderline allstar/gold glove type probably will not appreciate a 21 year old unproven player taking his spot. Why should he be the one to move? Hech on the other hand is like any minor leaguer—looking for any chance to prove himself and make a MLB team. A talent at SS should be able to play at any position. Its not like he wont be amazing defensively at 2nd base. I imagine Robbie Alomar 2.0. Plus it saves us FA money to use elsewhere.

the truely stupid situation will be that Hech stays down in AAA next year and a month into the season he’s hitting .360++( like Lawrie this year) but he has no where to play because we signed K Johnson to a 4 year deal.

by Hyepwrd on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you can’t bank on Adeiny turning into Robinson Cano – that’s setting him and the team up for failure. Best case scenario is that Adeiny does get that full year of AAA ball, in my mind – higher quality competition. We see whether or not his hot start is for real, then we make a decision. I’m not ready to give him anything more than some time at AAA at the moment, but if he proves he’s good enough, then there will be a way to get him into the lineup.

Here's my attempt at a witty sig. Didn't really go so well, methinks.

Wise men wonder, while strong men die.

by Cam Oegema on Sep 28, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok...I like your ideal situation...but in reality..

Jays don’t have a starting 2nd baseman. Who are we signing to play 2nd? Is it a quality guy like Johnson? Hes gonna want a 4+ year term. So in all possibility….the jays could sign Johnson to 4 years…At spring training Hech plays awesome…gets sent down to AAA…a month goes by and Hech is still hitting like he did this Year ~.360…..Where does he play? Not 2nd….not short….not 1st…not Cf….not RF….we have 4 guys vying for LF spot.
There is just no spot for the guy…..and his best asset (defense) is wasted.

by Hyepwrd on Sep 30, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Hech is hitting as well as you imagine he might . . .

. . . at AAA next season, he will come up and play at short. Escobar will move to 2B, or if they’ve signed a 2B, Escobar will be traded.

There is no way Hech is playing 2B. And it is highly unlikely that he’ll be hitting as well as you imagine. Remember, the Jays managed to get Fernandez to the majors when he had nothing more to achieve in AAA, despite having a good shortstop. If they have to, they’ll find a way. But I wouldn’t hold my breath for next year.

I expect to see Hech with the Jays in September.

by ShipwreckTheory on Oct 4, 2011 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hech at SS and Yunel at 2B?

not sure if this has been discussed…but I wouldn’t be surprised to see AH at SS while Yunel moves over to 2nd next year….

by phunky on Oct 10, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

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