Is it possible to get grass at the Rogers Centre?
A number of free agents, and former players have expressed their desire to avoid artificial turf.
Troy Glaus didn't want to play on the rogers turf due to his bad knees.
It is believed that the artificial turf causes more injuries than real grass, so isn't it in the best interest of the team to have real grass, so their players are healthy?
How much would it cost to get real grass vs artificial turf? Is it possible to have grass with all the events at the Rogers Centre during a year?
I'm sure the Jays have looked into this, but haven't heard the answer why.
Does anyone know the inside scoop on why we have artificial turf?
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It's not possible
due to the other events that happen at the stadium. Given the desire to hold concerts and the like, it would reduce the number of possible dates drastically each year if they were using real grass.
Anything is possible
But its so much more work and prevents some other events, so its unlikely.
You guessed right on the events.
Given the numerous events held at the ol Dome, too expensive to have grass laid out for each game.
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Aren't events held at other ballparks?
I can’t see them ripping up the turf at Yankee stadium each time they have a concert and then lay it down again after..
I’m pretty sure drainage is an issue with Rogers Centre that would make real grass costly, but it could (and to be honest) should be done.
Rogers just doesn’t want the added expense and don’t really care about what MLB players want..
This question sounds so wrong...
as in I’m sure they don’t sell it at Skydome, maybe somewhere outside though.
by JaysSaskatchewan on Sep 27, 2011 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I was thinking about this too.
Weird title.
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haha….just noticed that now.
You would think if it only cost 2 million per yr they would get real grass, so it must be more expensive than that.
The jays don’t have homefield advantage at the rogers centre because there aren’t enough fans to make it a home field advantage.
by ilovelawrie on Sep 27, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It'll be worth it if the grass can get the Jays at least 0.5 WAR
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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 28, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
think it could?
honestly, I dunno. besides that I’d imagine while the grass upkeep probably costs $2M, the increased cost of setting up other events (remember, it’s not a stadium but rather an event venue) is probably quite a bit higher
I think the Argonauts games are the biggest problem, or anything that would want a non-baseball configuration.
I’ve seen drainage listed as a problem. I don’t really understand that. With a dome they should be able to control the amount of water that goes on the field. If they don’t have drainage problems now then it shouldn’t be that big a problem with grass?
by JaysSaskatchewan on Sep 28, 2011 6:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, of course. I’m not a grass expert but does that mean you need an expensive drainage system? I wouldn’t think that grass needs to be watered to excess.
by JaysSaskatchewan on Sep 28, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a big problem is that they'll have to keep the dome open all the time
The stadium is not designed for the dome to stay open for a prolonged amount of time.
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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 28, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s a good point, I never thought of that. Would using some artificial lighting be at all possible?
by JaysSaskatchewan on Sep 28, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea sure. Office plants grow well under fluorescent...
But there is no way a company like Rogers is going to do that. Think about how horrible that will look (and be!) in terms of environmental sustainability to leave lights on all the time to keep grass alive.
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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 28, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the real problem
There are solutions (I’ve copied an interesting application below by a Billy Ray Valentine) but this seems like a case of mgmt simply not caring because it would be complicated. Mgmt has taken a stance that it is “prohibitively expensive” to maintain grass under dome but numbers say otherwise:
Rogers Centre is 143,000 square feet and the materials cost anywhere from $1 to $10 per sq ft, depending mostly on what soil, fill and drainage method you install below the grass, so the one to two million dollar estimate still sounds right.
From the Rogers Centre own faq, “To maintain the ability to transform quickly and efficiently to accommodate a number of events, Rogers Centre makes use of a synthetic playing surface….Typically, it takes up to 30 hours to convert the stadium from a baseball diamond into a football field. It takes 20 hours to remove the diamond to go to the concrete floor. It takes 16 hours to remove the football field to go to concrete.”
As you will see below, it takes 45 minutes to implement the real grass solution they used in Arizona.
Long answer but you have to think the pencil pushers are winning on this one, maybe even out of spite for those athletes who make so much so they should just suck it up because at least Rogers turf is better than in the old days.
Most of the domed sports stadiums of today that grow real turf, have a retractable roof that when opened, allows sunlight to fiter in. However, the amount of sunlight is only about half of what is needed to keep a healthy turf that can withstand the rigors of cleated shoes and the constant tromping by athletes. To supplement this inadequate level of sunlight, groundskeeping supervisors utilize the use of electric grow lamps to maintain the right amount of light needed, along with a combination of good turf genetics and the right type of turf, they are able to maintain a thick, healthy, crowd appreciative field. The negative here is that this type of supplemental maintenance only last for so long, and alot of times the turf must be completely replaced, sometimes on a regular basis.
One further advancement on growing turf “inside” of a domed stadium (well, kind of) took a giant leap with the Arizona Cardinals stadium. They have the only “retractable” floor in use in North America. With this method, the grass for the stadium is grown in a large tray, which is slid “outside” when games are not being played (takes 45 min. to mechanically move one way). There, it absorbs all of the nice bright Arizona sun and grows very well. When its time for the game or any sporting event, it is slid back into place at the stadium floor. Very unique indeed! And one of a kind!
Thanks for posting this ILLawrie, maybe if enough people get involved Jays will consider the change…..it could only help in terms of how any free agent would view coming to the Jays!
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If it were only baseball and football,
I’m sure they might consider real grass or whatever, but it isn’t. Throw in the tractor pulls, moto cross races, and a multitude of other events that happen there (as per the deal of Ted Rogers buying the Dome), and it’s just not feasible.
"but it isn't."............what?........green enough?
Sliding trays may not work as well with all that smog but they’d still be perfect, suspended over the “Gardiner” ;-)
Bottom line is that there are options out there that could accommodate monster truck rallies and Justin Bieber concerts alike, cost a mil or two per year, and wouldn’t take, on average, 24 hours to convert.
Saying it’s not feasible is refusing to think outside the Dome!
"I didn't really say everything I said."-Yogi ism
Lets put it this way
The grass is always greener on the other side…
by Mike Andrew on Sep 29, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
groan.......but so true :)
"I didn't really say everything I said."-Yogi ism
I was joking with the WAR reference :P
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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 28, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I know
but if it actually does cause injuries, it might actually make sense from a baseball standpoint
Remember reading that it would cost 2mil to switch to natural cover
I tend to agree with jayteam that they don’t care what the players want but there’s a company called stadiumflooring.com so at least there’s a solution out there for the concert thing. It’ll cost another million or two to maintain but it sure would be a classy move eh!
"I didn't really say everything I said."-Yogi ism
That’s all? That’s only like 10 hamburgers or something right?
by JaysSaskatchewan on Sep 27, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're on a roll man!
Gotta be something about Saskatchewan ’cause one of my fondest memories is of listening to Gordie Howe tell one funny story after another for over an hour! cheers :)
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Just curious, but does the turf at RC give the Jays any kind of home field advantage?
Who else has fieldturf? The Rays are the only other team that comes to mind but I may be missing another team or two. I was wondering if the turf has a major effect on visit teams since they are not as familiar with playing on it.
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Not that I want to see anyone injured, but remember when the Phillies were in town and Victorino had his adventure in CF.
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Nope only the Jays and Rays still use AstroTurf
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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 27, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Shane Victorino also get hurt between seams?
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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 27, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
No its not possilbe
because of all the events, they need to be able to swap out the floors and all that.
its been like this since it opened.
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So what's really needed...
… is another venue for concerts and non-grass “events”. That’s easy for me to say, though, because I live 2,500 miles away and will not be taxed for it.
If I were an MLB free agent outfielder...
… I would cross the Jays and Rays off my list right away, because there are 28 other teams with fields that would be easier on my knees. Of course, I would also cross off the Rangers, Astros, Marlins, Braves, and Snakes, because I wouldn’t want to play in 90+ degree weather eighty times per season.
something tells me
if you were an MLB free agent outfielder, you’d go to whatever team paid you the most money
if you want to keep using the money angle, it works the other way too
you think “will my health allow me to get more money because i will play more, and allow me to play longer”
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Sep 28, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Minute Maid Park, Chase, and the new Miami Ballpark have roofs
so they can close it if it gets too hot outside.
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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 28, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Miami climate-controlled with the roof closed?
I thought it was just to keep out the daily rainstorm.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Everything is Air Conditioned in Florida.
Even the beach has AC.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Sep 29, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions

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