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Blue Jay September Call Ups

The Blue Jays have called up 6 players from Las Vegas:  Adam Loewen, Kyle Drabek; David Cooper; Chad Beck, Daniel Farquhar and  Brad Mills.

I guess the surprise, to me, of the group is Chad Beck, but he throws hard, might be interesting to see what he can do in the bullpen. No Hechavarria. Personally I'd like to have seen a middle infielder and Adeiny wouldn't have cost us anything. I guess he is playing Fall League but still, we are short in the middle of the field.

Very happy to see Loewan get a shot and Cooper getting another look. It won't hurt to see if Loewan could be a fourth outfielder type. And Cooper, well, they gave up on him fairly quickly earlier this year so I hope he gets some at bats.

I liked watching Farquhar pitch in Vegas while I was there. Having the ball come at batters at a different angle doesn't hurt. Mills can be depth in the pen. Drabek? I'm sure the team wants him to work with Bruce Walton and Pat Hentgen.

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Can Loewen play CF?

I’d rather watch him struggle in CF than Wise go 0 for 23092 with 23092 K’s
Even managers take the bunt off on 2 strikes when pitchers are batting.

by craig in calgary on Sep 5, 2011 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

he's a big guy

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by Pikachu on Sep 5, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

like

BIG guy

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by Pikachu on Sep 5, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

DeWayne Wise made a game saving catch today..

You be careful what you wish for..

No Pressure Kyle, We've Already Replaced You...

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Sep 5, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

People would rather see a defensively challenged player who can hit

Than an excellent defender who can’t hit.
Those people don’t include the pitching staff or the manager however.

by JayTeam on Sep 6, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course

only fans who don’t know anything would complain about starting a guy who has been worth a whole -0.1 fWAR over his career. And why would pitchers be interested in a guy who helps the team score runs? It’s not like this is a team sport where run scoring and run prevention are both important or anything.

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by jessef on Sep 6, 2011 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't saying I wouldn't like to see Loewen...

Just that I don’t want him pressed into CF. I’d rather see J Bau there than press Adam into action. Might even distract him from the hitting part.

No Pressure Kyle, We've Already Replaced You...

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Sep 6, 2011 7:36 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Oh, didn't mean to direct it at anyone in particular

the wording of the post after yours got my goat a bit . . . didn’t get much sleep last night and woke up on the wrong side of the bed

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by jessef on Sep 6, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well you got my goat

AA brought Wise back for a reason. He knew the guy can’t hit and never will. But for a short term fix a guy who can chase down fly balls, prevent balls from dropping in front of him or skipping by him is the right move for both run prevention and pitchers psyches.. And yeah, pitchers are selfish. They would rather not have some clumsy rookie attempting to play CF merely for your enjoyment.

by JayTeam on Sep 6, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, as long as we can safely assume

that Alex Anthopoulos has never made a mistake, we know that using DeWayne Wise is the right move.

Also, before saying that “pitchers are selfish” as if it is some kind of axiom, please demonstrate that there is some validity to the statement. You claim that the “clumsy rookie attempting to play CF” would be there “merely for [our] enjoyment,” but the perceived reason he would be there would be to help the team win as many baseball games as possible going forward. You’re welcome to disagree with those of us who think giving Loewen a look is better than running Wise back out there, but don’t go around saying it like we’re a bunch of idiot JaysTalk callers saying Anthopoulos should trade Adam Lind for Ryan Braun.

Finally, you made a baseless assertion that “people would rather see a defensively challenged player who can hit than an excellent defender who can’t hit.”

My whole point was that people want to see the player who they think gives the team the best chance of winning. Furthermore, even when fans choose a guy they don’t really think gives the team the best chance of winning, it’s just as likely to be for the opposite reason. There are plenty of instances where “an excellent defender who can’t hit” was preferred over “a defensively challenged player who can hit” (e.g., preference for Johnny Mac and Jason Nix over Edwin Encarnacion).

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by jessef on Sep 6, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Drabek

Ill be happy to see if he has changed.

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by Pikachu on Sep 5, 2011 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm surprised he got the callup

Hopefully it was a good call…

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 5, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it could be very good or very bad.
I’m an expert at predictions.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 5, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really thought we could have used Hech...

But perhaps they don’t want to shatter his confidence.. Would he be able to get some time in at NH before the AFL starts? when does that happen?

Also, if Adam Loewen was in CF today, the Jays would more than likely would have lost unless he socked a dinger.

No Pressure Kyle, We've Already Replaced You...

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Sep 5, 2011 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm a huge Hech fan...

But he needs more time in Triple-A, I can see him being called up either mid next year or September.

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by Joey Kirby on Sep 5, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I agree he's not ML-ready

…but you don’t always have to be in September.. especially when you’re starting SS is hurt. Plus, I’m beginning to think that more and more that a hitter will be better developed at NH facing actual pitching prospects. PCL is BS.

No Pressure Kyle, We've Already Replaced You...

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Sep 5, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, he's just going to be sitting around until AFL

We could use him strictly for his glove late in games and not risk him shattering his confidence or hurting his trade value.

No Pressure Kyle, We've Already Replaced You...

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Sep 5, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well yes, you don't have to be ready to play September baseball..

But I don’t necessarily agree with you about PCL being BS, yes the altitudes help, but the PCL has more experienced pitchers, they have to work a helluva lot harder in the PCL to put up good results than in the Eastern League, and I would probably say that Chad Mottola is also a better hitting instructor than Justin Mashore.

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by Joey Kirby on Sep 5, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know.. I'm just venting.. Wish JP hadn't burned the Syracuse bridge..

Just feel sometimes that its guesswork whether someone’s bat is for real..

Maybe Chad should get a September callup haha

I do still feel that Hech would have been a better September callup than Drabek/Beck, but meh..

Would like to see him play more in Vegas before getting a callup for good next year (hopefully)

No Pressure Kyle, We've Already Replaced You...

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Sep 5, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

How would youknow that the jays would have lost with Loewen in CF?

Have you seen him play defence, know his range, or his arm strengh?

by Alan F. on Sep 5, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hes quick for his size, but I do not think he would've made that catch...

Wise ran that one down like a boss..

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by Joey Kirby on Sep 5, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to know for sure

I agree that Wise made a fine play and all, but watching him bat, or attempting to bat, is painful at times. He’s nothing more than a late game defensive replacement imo (which would have been when this play happened).

by Alan F. on Sep 5, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to know for sure

Loewen will hit any better than Wise.

by JayTeam on Sep 6, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's true

though, if you put any stock at all into MLEs

Wise MLB: .216 / .247 / .295
Loewen MLE: .244 / .303 / .393

if it were closer than that, I’d be less certain but 150 points of OPS is a lot. And MLE adjusts for both playing in the PCL and playing for Las Vegas

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by jessef on Sep 6, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

True, but there are few guys who translate instantly

There are very few Brett Lawries. 5 of the top 12 PCL hitters have 33 or more MLB AB’s this year. This is how they’ve done in the majors so far.

Cooper 33 AB’s 121/ 244/ 242
Cowgill 66 AB’s 227/ 292/ 288
Giavotella 114 AB’s 246/ 283/ 377
Rizzo 101 AB’s 139/ 275/ 257
Ransom 33 AB’s 152/ 243 / 303

In the PCL, Ransom’s .317 was the lowest BA, the others over .330. Giavotella’s OBP of .390 was the only one under .400. and his SLG of .481 the only one under .535

by JayTeam on Sep 6, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But the point the Loewen-backers make is that the team is running out of time on Loewen and the Jays won’t know unless they try him. With Rasmus out, they have an opportunity to do that and are, instead, playing DeWayne Wise.

Now, that’s not necessarily the wrong move. As you pointed out above, Anthopoulos, Farrell, whomever else seem to think it’s the right one. But they might be wrong.

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by jessef on Sep 6, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think most folks would rather a player that can help us win

We saw enough of Wise to know he can’t.

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by Tom Dakers on Sep 6, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I thought we won yesterday

I’m all for giving Loewen major league AB’s.
But not playing him in CF. Not that what I care matters, and it will be a moot point because there is no way we’ll see Loewen in CF anyway.

by JayTeam on Sep 6, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not that it's meaningful because there are plenty of other factors

that govern whether the team is more or less likely to win, but:

in 2010, Jays record when Wise played: 25-27
in 2010, Jays record when Wise didn’t play: 60-50

A more meaningful stat describing Wise’s impact on games would likely be the one mentioned before

career rWAR: 1.2, career fWAR: -0.1

Now, Loewen could be worse than that. He might not be able to hit or field. The one thing I know is that I’m willing to risk Wise’s production to find out if that’s the case.

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by jessef on Sep 6, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

other considerations

Maybe one could consider whether we have a ground ball pitcher or a fly ball pitcher on the mound that particular day?

by leonard euler on Sep 6, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure, that theoretically could be a factor

though, practically, I don’t think Rasmus will be out long enough that it would be identified as one. More likely, I think they’d just call it a day off or going with the hot hand or some such.

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by jessef on Sep 6, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’re not replacing Curtis Granderson in centre field, we’re replacing Dewayne Wise. You’re totally over-rating his defence and forgetting that, over his career, he is a poor hitter who brings little value overall to a major-league team. He’s only here because Rasmus and Snider are hurt.

by Shift on Sep 6, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Davis and Escobar

…leaving McCoy at SS. Wise is already the 5th choice to play CF.

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by Back In Black on Sep 6, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know that he's 6'6" and built like a brick s@ithouse

I also have read scouting reports that don’t project him as a CFer. Playing some games at CF in AAA doesn’t qualify you as a CFer. I was there to witness Wise’s catch (as well as his strikeouts and failure to get a bunt down in three f’ing attempts)… He ran it down like only a defensive specialist/real CFer could… or as Kirby put it, ‘a boss’

Colby will be ready in the next few days. I would prefer to see Hech at short, and McCoy in CF.. but hey, I’m not the Greek God that is AA

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by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Sep 5, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scouting reports also said the same thing about Snider

But he seemed to do okay in CF. I wouldn’t be expecting anything more out of Loewen (Wise can come in late if needed). Yes, Colby’s not going to be ready for a few more days, Hech ain’t coming up, and I’m not convinced McCoy is that much better than Loewen would be out there. During the time that Colby is not going to play, I’d rather see them run someone out there not named Wise or Teahen.

by Alan F. on Sep 5, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it on tv

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by noname3 on Sep 5, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol Gordon B is talking to him during a Perfect game

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by noname3 on Sep 5, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

good for him. I want him to do well, I liked him.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 5, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had curly awesome hair..

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by Joey Kirby on Sep 5, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's rather unfortunate

The September call-ups are being used to replace our injured stars, which would seem to add more pressure to them to perform instead of just the odd start to give a regular a break. It was nice for that few weeks to have a glimpse of the future line-up in place, now we’ve regressed to McCoy and Wise and it feels like April and May with the likes of Nix and CoPa on the roster.

by Goldenhawk99 on Sep 5, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

we’re like, 16 games out. There’s no pressure.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 5, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

not true, there is always pressure

that said, if anything, I’d think starting would put less pressure on the player. At least you know that you will be in the lineup the next day regardless of what you do.

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by jessef on Sep 6, 2011 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

They can put Loewen in CF to start games as far as I'm concerned

He’s played a few games there, definately has the arm, and I’d rather watch (or hear as I’ll be on the road) him batting rather than Wise. Put Wise in as a late game defensive replacement if need be.

Good for the other players that got the call too.

by Alan F. on Sep 5, 2011 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

i dunno if people would say that if he wasn't canadian

he’s hitting not much better than the average PCL hitter

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by Pikachu on Sep 5, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

So he's Canadian

His numbers suggest he’s done better than an average PCLer. I think if some people weren’t obsessed with his age, they’d have been calling for him to get a look see before now.

by Alan F. on Sep 5, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not shocked for the most part

would much rather leave drabek down. As for Hech, I’d say call him up and if Johnson declines arb we start him

by STZ513 on Sep 5, 2011 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope. I don't think anyone can answer that one.

Except maybe the Greek God of Trades.

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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Sep 5, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking of getting that as a tattoo

“Trust in A.A.” in Greek across my chest.

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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Sep 6, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

alpha alpha?

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by jessef on Sep 6, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

More research may be required

The translator didn’t like AA

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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Sep 6, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Wikipedia would have his name in Greek letters but I only found English

and Japanese: アレックス・アンソポロス

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 6, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

His name in Greek:

Αλεξανδρος Ανθοπουλος

AA in English looks identical in Greek.

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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Sep 6, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh Greek reminds me of math and physics

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 6, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Winter trades

I’m curious which call ups are just a preview for winter trades

by Canuckian on Sep 5, 2011 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Cooper has proven all he can in AAA and D'Arnaud in AA

So Lind and Arencebia might be viable trade candidates (I think a lot of teams will overvalue Arencebia)

by Mike Andrew on Sep 5, 2011 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd roll Lind and Arencibia into the same package to the Reds for Votto.

Give them Drabek too.

We want Votto in Toronto. We’re repatriating all the great Canadian talent across the Majors to bring the World Series back to Canada… LOL

by TrueBlue4Ever! on Sep 5, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if the Reds would trade Votto

unless Bautista is in the deal, they need him for 3B I’d think

by Canuckian on Sep 5, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

they probably don’t want Lind, Arencibia, and Drabek for Votto. need way more

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by Pikachu on Sep 5, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you want votto

you have to give up lawrie

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by Pikachu on Sep 5, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

IKR

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by Pikachu on Sep 5, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Votto

would probably involve another 3way deal. Reds need a 3B but he’s only got 2 years under contract left so he’ll be easier to get as time goes by.

by Canuckian on Sep 5, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bautista for Votto

would likely get the Jays more than just Votto though because of their contracts.

by Canuckian on Sep 5, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Reds are one of the few teams that have catching depth better than the Jays

They’ve got Mesoraco almost ready for the Majors and they have Grandal (the top rated C in last year’s draft. Mesoraco is considered the best all around C prospect in the minors (followed closely by D’Arnaud). Plus the Reds already have a decent catching tandem in Hernandez/Hanigan. They won’t want a catcher. As for Lind, I doubt they want him either. If they trade Votto, they have Yonder Alonso to step in at 1B. The Reds are not trading Votto for a package like that.

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by JaysfanDL on Sep 6, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. The Reds aren't really good trade partners for us.

It would probably take two separate trades. First, move Lind to Pirates or Dodgers who need a cost-controlled HR hitting 1st baseman. Then move Thames, Hech, and Drabek or something like that for Votto.

by Matthew Mueller on Sep 6, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Reds are fine as trade partners for us

if we’re willing to trade Bautista. They need a 3B so it’s either Bautista or we get one from a 3rd team and then flip to the Reds for Votto. If we trade Bautista this winter, we’d get Votto and more but if we traded for a 3B from another team to flip, we might be able to trade Lind or farm pieces to do so. Although, Lind might be fine as LF/DH if Bautista was traded so just a RF/DH is needed. If KJ is resigned for 2B, EE (or whatever) for DH, and with Rasmus in CF, there are many OF options.. Lind, Thames, Snider, Loewen, etc so a Bautista for Votto trade makes sense AND we’d probably get some extra goodies.

by Canuckian on Sep 6, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

Good to read a trade post from someone who actually knows what they’re talking about. Well said.

by JayTeam on Sep 6, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

The above comment was meant for JaysfanDL

Explaining why the Reds don’t need a C or 1B in trade.

by JayTeam on Sep 6, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, lines like 'actually knows what they are talking about' aren't needed.

there is no reason to insult just because people don’t agree with you.

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by Tom Dakers on Sep 6, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

His home runs and contract kinda do

He’s only got 2 more years at 5 mil each but 3 years of team options after that.

by Canuckian on Sep 6, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

this could potentially be good news, or great news.
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by Pikachu on Sep 5, 2011 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

This is fun!

I’m excited to see Loewen, Beck & Farquhar.

Will Buck Martinez be able to control himself when Loewen steps to the plate???

Haha…

by TrueBlue4Ever! on Sep 5, 2011 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

BEEG & STRONG!!!!!

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by Joey Kirby on Sep 5, 2011 10:41 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

also

cue “Zach Stewart – The Other One That Got Away” meme rite nao

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by Pikachu on Sep 5, 2011 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

AWwwwww Hells no!

Animated Gifs

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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Sep 5, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

damnit mcnulty

Can we start the Gose watch yet?

by honours6 on Sep 6, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh

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by Pikachu on Sep 5, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess Colby really better pan out...

Twins lineup is quite sad these days though.. Hopefully not a sign of things to come but a lingering effect of our minor league development process

No Pressure Kyle, We've Already Replaced You...

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Sep 5, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get you?

What do the Twins have to do with the Jays?

by Fred Draper on Sep 5, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

... cause one of the key pieces that we gave up to get Colby...

just had a complete game one-hitter against the…. Twins..

No Pressure Kyle, We've Already Replaced You...

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Sep 5, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he's referring to the

“Hopefully not a sign of things to come but a lingering effect of our minor league development process”

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by Pikachu on Sep 5, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was referring to that part of the comment...

But not enough has been made of the fact that:

1. Of our top 6 minor league teams, five made the playoffs.
2. Of our top 6, we had 4 managers-of-the-year in their respective leagues.

Tha’ts AWESOME. I remember that JP’s teams couldn’t win even with all college players.

by Fred Draper on Sep 5, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's not what it sounded like at first but agree

I was just saying that hopefully this blip is just the quality of our development staff lingering in Stewart and he’ll run out of the magic fairy dust he smuggled out of the NH clubhouse before he can pitch a real perfect

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by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Sep 6, 2011 7:45 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Stewart was a part of the Rasmus deal

and Stewart just threw a 1 hitter with no walks against the twins – had a perfect game except for an 8th inning double.

by Playoffs!!!!1 on Sep 5, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont regret it at all. just look at steqrts last couple of games seeing him get shelled and you won’t miss him.

by ddbumpus on Sep 5, 2011 11:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd be a little more worried about losing Stewart if that almost perfect game didn't happen against the Twins in September

Rosters are expanded and due to injuries to guys like Mauer and Morneau, the Twins don’t have a potent offence this year

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by JaysfanDL on Sep 6, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keith Law is on it

  keithlaw keithlaw
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by leaflover4ever on Sep 5, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who are they playing anyways?

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by Joey Kirby on Sep 5, 2011 10:58 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

one on one or both at the same time?

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Twit Twat.

by Pikachu on Sep 5, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

what joke?

I’m serious here.

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

Twit Twat.

by Pikachu on Sep 5, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's a "JV lineup"?

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 5, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, JV is junior varsity

Twins lineup was probably full of minor league guys.

Hic sunt fortuna dracones

by JaysfanDL on Sep 6, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tallet released

Yay!

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

Twit Twat.

by Pikachu on Sep 6, 2011 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

any thoughts on why Mastro wasn't called up?

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by Bargain D on Sep 6, 2011 1:14 AM EDT reply actions  

they probably don’t think he is ready and he’s not really going to get any playing time anyways (Rajai should be back soon and I dont think hes any upgrade over McCoy or Wise). Might as well rest up and start off-season work

by Sniderlover on Sep 6, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

would rather he gets some reps over McCoy or Wise.. possible trade piece

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by Bargain D on Sep 6, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has to be in the doghouse somehow

If Mastro isnt an upgrade over McCoy and Wise – he should be looking for a new career.

My guess is he will go back to Venezuela to play some baseball.

by bobo121212 on Sep 6, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow

that’s an unbelievably callous statement

by benk on Sep 6, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’m not sure it’s too callous. this is a fan forum after all. there’s a definite element of truth to his observation.

by ayjackson on Sep 6, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

"he should be looking for a new career"?

you kidding? because he’s not good enough for some guy on the Internet’s liking, he’s allowed to make personal attacks?

by benk on Sep 6, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will any of these guys be in the lineup tonight?

by leaflover4ever on Sep 6, 2011 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Anyone know if Drabek has been given his cutter back yet?

Curious if it’ll be back for September of whether it’ll be a longterm thing.

by TtD on Sep 6, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know but

he’s certainly not looking like the pitcher we need. There’s lotsa time so no need to throw in the towel yet but it’s a concern if we intend to win next year. We have the bats but the pitching doesn’t seem ready yet. We might have to sign some FA pitchers and not only to stock up on the bullpen again.

by Canuckian on Sep 6, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really doubt it...

Just from his stats.. he basically walks as many batters as he strikes out (41BB/45SO).. so I’m going to say no – doesn’t even appear to be able to spot his 4 seam. They probably brought the kid up here to work with Bruce Walton more than anything.

by willho on Sep 6, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is McGowan going to get in the game tonight??

I need to know the answer!

Thisrighthere!

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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Sep 6, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

He'll lose his perfect game and no hitter with 1 out in the ninth

Damn you Ellsbury!!!!

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 6, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seeing as Ellsbury leads off

it would be impossible for him to break up a perfect game in the 9th

by Gerse on Sep 6, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oooh good catch. We have a smart one here, Tom.

Damn you Jason Veritek!!!

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 6, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can a pitcher throw a perfect game when the defense commits an otherwise harmless error?

If so, that’s one way for Ellsbury to break up the perfect game in the 9th.

by siggian on Sep 6, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fun fact

David Cooper had the highest OBP among qualified PCL hitters this year at .439.

Mike McCoy’s OBP in Vegas this year was .440, just didn’t have enough PA’s to qualify.

by JayTeam on Sep 6, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

My first comment

Hey BBB, this is my first post. I was waiting to see if Farquahar would be called up before i posted. I am pumped to finally see him. I go to grad school at UL lafayette in louisiana where farquahar pitched. I saw him pitch lots during college. I hope he sticks with the team! Go jays!

Lots of dudes in the south where Blue Jay hats. I holler "Go Jays". They respond. "Canada has baseball?"

by jay_fan_inda_swamp on Sep 6, 2011 12:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Its a PhD and ill be done this sept.

Lots of dudes in the south where Blue Jay hats. I holler "Go Jays". They respond. "Canada has baseball?"

by jay_fan_inda_swamp on Sep 6, 2011 2:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

congrats!

what are you studying?

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by jessef on Sep 6, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. Microbiology. I’m from Canada (Toronto area) and am obsessed with the blue jays. If I researched as much about microbiology as I did Colby Rasmus’ minor league hitting stats, I’d already have the PhD. haha. But in seriousness, we have a decent college baseball team at our school and for some reason there is a huge scouting representation from the blue jays. They drafted 2 UL-Lafayette players a couple years ago. BJ Ryan went to school here, so did Dayton Marze. Its fun to watch them come up.

Lots of dudes in the south where Blue Jay hats. I holler "Go Jays". They respond. "Canada has baseball?"

by jay_fan_inda_swamp on Sep 6, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, I know the feeling

I’m a grad student studying ecology. i’ve done some research at Jean Lafitte Park just south of New Orleans

my advice to you: find someone to pay you to write about baseball, you’ll find microbiology may become a welcome distraction!

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by jessef on Sep 6, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t been to that park but I love New Orleans. I wish I could get money for writing about baseball.
P.S. The way Perez is pitching I think we might see Farquhar tonight and/or McGowan!

Lots of dudes in the south where Blue Jay hats. I holler "Go Jays". They respond. "Canada has baseball?"

by jay_fan_inda_swamp on Sep 6, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I researched as much about microbiology as I did Colby Rasmus’ minor league hitting stats, I’d already have the PhD.

If I focused as much about School as I do about the Blue Jays and random things about our players, then I would have 80’s and 90’s..

Not changing my signature until Hechavarria is promoted to the big leagues.
[Funny phrase about how few followers I have on Twitter]

by Joey Kirby on Sep 6, 2011 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

If my students...

…focused as much about the Bluejays and random things about our players as they do about School, then they would all have 80’s and 90’s. :-)

Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic

by bluejaysstatsgeek on Sep 6, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can I be your student?

It’s funny that you’re a teacher, because I was in my Construction class today, my teacher went to the game yesterday, it was so funny, we talked about the game yesterday for like atleast half an hour, discussing DeWayne Wise’s catch, the length in between pitches, Lawries walk-off, I was so surprised he could actually keep up with me!

Not changing my signature until Hechavarria is promoted to the big leagues.
[Funny phrase about how few followers I have on Twitter]

by Joey Kirby on Sep 6, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha. Exactly my point.

Lots of dudes in the south where Blue Jay hats. I holler "Go Jays". They respond. "Canada has baseball?"

by jay_fan_inda_swamp on Sep 6, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

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