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As per Wilner's tweet from Farrell:

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Farrell: McGowan is in rotation for rest of season (4 starts), will get 80-85 pitches three times, then extend if all good. #Bluejays #jays

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Play Offs 2012!

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by jaysfanfromeurope on Sep 8, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

cautiously optimistic

I’m excited about this.. but hope we don’t push him too much. I doubt he’ll let management know if he’s hurting, so they’ll need to watch his back for him

by khaleeji on Sep 9, 2011 7:45 AM EDT reply actions  

That's no reason not go

I’m still goin, McGowan>Sunday football

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by Bluebirdz on Sep 9, 2011 8:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Go busses suck on saturday

i could take the train… hmmm

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by Bowling_Guy25 on Sep 9, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wooo!

Highly optimistic here, but imagine a 2012 rotation of
Romero, Morrow, Alvarez, Drabek, McGowan?*

It would be one of the hardest throwing rotations in the AL Beast. All different styles despite the fact they throw serious gas.

*I put McGowan as the 5th starter because of pitch count and innings limitations due to health

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Sep 9, 2011 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Drabek....

Not a lock for a starter. I know, Perez or Villanueva are the alternatives, or maybe a new callup.

by GettinGiggy on Sep 9, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

right now that is true

Drabek has the potential to be much better though.

Hic sunt fortuna dracones

by JaysfanDL on Sep 9, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

So did Cecil :/

And putting on my flame-resistant suit, so did (does?) Morrow.

by GettinGiggy on Sep 9, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's rare for a team to go 162 games with 5 starters

McGowan, Cecil, Drabek and Alvarez could all get a long look in the rotation in 2012 (even without accounting for injuries). Assuming 32 starts each for Romero and Morrow, that would leave about 24 to 25 starts for each of the other 4. In McGowan’s case, he would probably be limited to that number of starts anyway. Alvarez would probably have a limit as well.

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by TO Steve on Sep 9, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgot about him.

Ooops

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Sep 9, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have so many!

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 9, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is why we can trade some of them.

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by Jevant on Sep 9, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe not quite enough yet

The Jays should sign Harden and Bedard this off season. When/if they get hurt, then bring up Alvarez, Drabek, etc to fill the spots.

by Canuckian on Sep 9, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not a matter if, but when

I’d consider Harden, but as a “closer.” He’s not going to give you more than 150 innings, but it all depends if he can take the strain of being in the BP.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Sep 9, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Harden is fragile but

We can start off with him in the rotation but as soon as there are any problems, we can shift him to the bullpen (or the DL) and bring up one of the young arms. It’s doubtful Bedard would end up in the bullpen, more likely the DL but both would be very affordable (likely with club options) and they wouldn’t be a major obstacle to the younger pitchers coming up. Plus they’re both Canadian.

by Canuckian on Sep 9, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd pass on Bedard. He's seems so fragile

Just looking at the guy with a hard stare would be enough to put him on the DL.

If I were the Blue Jays GM then I’d consider Harden, but not as a starter. I like the idea of using the guy as a closer. 93-94 mph fastball with good movement and has two decent if not plus pitches in his change and slider. Again, not sure if he could physically deal with the rigors of relief.

To be honest, the fact they’re Canadian is probably the last thing I would consider.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Sep 9, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cheap options

I just thought of them as cheap options that could either do well or be moved out of the way easily if not.

by Canuckian on Sep 9, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bosox passed on Harden

after they looked at his medical charts/checkup. He has proved them wrong so far (cause they needed someone like him) but I am sure there must have been something pretty negative about Harden’s physical prospects going forward. If he was a relative giveaway or a contract with “outs” I’d be hesitant.

by Bendit on Sep 9, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope not

or at least not for the money he’s expecting.

by Canuckian on Sep 9, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

No. Still meant Drabek

If AA didn’t sign Beede based on his demands then I doubt he’s going to pay more than what AA’s valued Darvish at.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Sep 9, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Congratulations to the team and the player...

Dustin has indeed rebuilt himself. After his list of surgeries it is pretty impressive to hear he will be starting this sunday. Very inspirational… suddenly the Jays have a lot going for them, eh? Very sweet end to the season, in my view…

by TrueBlue4Ever! on Sep 9, 2011 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

This move is logical

Jays management needs to know what they have in McGowan. With Perez, I think they already know that he really isn’t ready to be a starter in MLB. However, he might still have a role in 2012 as a bullpen arm and returning him to that role makes sense for 2011.

If McGowan can pitch effectively in 2012, that means that AA needs to find one less arm in the off-season. If the Jays are serious about making 2012 their first year of contending (but without sacrificing the future) they’ll need at least one more experienced quality starter. McGowan would mean AA would not have to find two of them.

It’s good that the Jays have all these promising arms. I don’t think they should be relied upon initially, but Jays should be able to call on them if the initial starters get injured or falter.

Starting rotation coming out of 2012 spring training:

Romero
Morrow

Cecil
McGowan

Alvarez would be waiting in the wings should one of the above get injured or falter. Drabek as well if he can figure out his control problems.

by siggian on Sep 9, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

that blank space in my lineup

Should be (new guy that AA acquires) but it disappeared on posting

by siggian on Sep 9, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pitching Corp is definitely looking better

Although two things.

1) I honestly believe Morrow will be traded in the offseason. The way I see it, is if AA doesn’t want to extend you, he’s going to find a way to get value from you.

2) As much as I like Romero, and the other pitchers, I do believe we need a legitimate #2 / 1B pitcher (Think Romero when we had Marcum). I love Morrow, but I don’t think he’s reliable enough to get us through an entire year in the AL East. If we do keep him, having him, Cecil, McGowan, Alvarez, and Drabek fighting for the last three spots, makes me think of a rotation that will help us get through the AL East.

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by Vagabond13 on Sep 9, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would we not want to extend Morrow?

Considering he has had a “bad year” and he is still out FIPing and xFIPing Romero (with a better K rate AND BB rate), I have no idea why people are so eager to get rid of him.

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by Jevant on Sep 9, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Morrow may never put it all together but it’s too early to make that determination. He still has the potential to be a top of the rotation starter. Why sell low on a guy with this much potential? I don’t think the Jays will make any big moves with their starting pitching this offseason. They need to see what they’ve got with Romero, Morow, Cecil, Drabek, Alvarez and McGowan. Bringing someone in now would get in the way of that.

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by TO Steve on Sep 9, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm
Why sell low on a guy with this much potential?

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by jessef on Sep 9, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

this would actually be the perfect time to extend morrow

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by Pikachu on Sep 9, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's do it! Now!

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 9, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Although Morrow looks at ‘nerd stats’ so he knows he’s been good this year.

by Nadia on Sep 9, 2011 4:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nice!

I’m heading to my first game of the year on Sunday!

by J-DUBZ on Sep 9, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with some comments that Jays could use a top of the rotation arm - but in 2013

Morrow could be on the cusp of something big, Drabek and Alvarez could be on the cusp of making it to the big leagues and McGowan – just making it back. When you look at all the moves AA has made, 2012 is not the year he is aiming for. I think it starts in 2013. 2012 will be the year for analyzing what the Jays have. Apart form the pitchers, Lawrie, Thames, Snider, Rasmus and Arencibia are all still young and relatively unproven. Give them all a chance to play in 2012 and see who belongs in the long-term plan and let those who don’t belong build up their trade value.

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by TO Steve on Sep 9, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Buerrle will...

…retire as a White Sox. I doubt he’ll be going anywhere.

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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Sep 9, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hurrah!!!!

I was quite surprised at Dustin’s movement on his pitches in his last/first appearance. Hope that wasnt a oneoff. But I seem to be rooting more for the person…he has gone thru so much personally…the number of times he must have fought with giving it all up…somewhat like Carpenter. I forget about his circumstances…whether he left for a better deal with the Cards or the Jays just gave up on him.

by Bendit on Sep 9, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Why is everybody talking like Alvarez has an outside chance of making the rotation?

Having watched him beat the BoSox makes me think that he may be able to perfect his 3rd pitch on the job..

No Pressure Kyle, We've Already Replaced You...

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Sep 9, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

He's so young

It’s expected that he’ll have some bumps in the road before he sticks in the majors. He could always be an exception but he probably won’t.

by Nadia on Sep 9, 2011 4:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes

See Drabek, Kyle.

If you judged him on his first few games, you would have thought he was going to have a decent year.

by siggian on Sep 9, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya and I don't think it's written in stone that he'll be in the rotation..

but right now I have him having a much better shot at the 4/5 spots than Drabek who did much worse against top lineups (in obviously small samples)..

Just based on these limited results, I feel he shouldn’t be automatically assumed to be in the minors next year while Drabek is pencilled into the 5th spot despite looking unimpressive in almost every way in AAA..

I know young players are due for stumbles but until he does, I don’t see any reason to think he won’t have a spot in the rotation next spring.

No Pressure Kyle, We've Already Replaced You...

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Sep 9, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Alvarez is pitching well in the majors and Drabek is pitching poorly in the minors, so why would Drabek be ahead of Alvarez in a depth chart?

by The commentator formerly known as Yoda on Sep 11, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like this

He’s had two shoulder surgeries. I think it would be better if he pitched out of the bullpen, maybe as a closer, but I’d rather he have 60 innings a year, rather than 200 (if he can get there) on a surgically repaired shoulder.

by Jason Witte on Sep 9, 2011 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

we'll see

the possiblity of him moving into reliever is still there, but I’d rather try him as a starter and see if he can last. As a reliever, he doesn’t have much value as he would starting, even if he can stay healthy as a reliever.

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by Pikachu on Sep 9, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The choice isn't between 60 and 200

He could pitch 160 innings as a starter and still be way more valuable than he would’ve been in relief.

by Nadia on Sep 9, 2011 6:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

gamethread

gamethread

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by Pikachu on Sep 9, 2011 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Woooooooooooooooo!

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by Joey Kirby on Sep 9, 2011 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

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