Blue Jays Get Jason Frasor Back
by Tom Dakers on Jan 1, 2012 4:39 PM EST
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PrintAs noted in the fanshot the Blue Jays traded prospects Myles Jaye and Daniel Webb to get Jason Frasor back from the White Sox.
Jaye is 20 and played for Bluefield last year, a RHP, he had a 3.00 ERA in 13 games. He was drafted in the 17th round of the 2010 draft by the Jays.
Webb is 22 and played for Bluefield and Lansing last season, he had a 5.48 ERA in 19 games between the 2 levels. He was picked in the 17th round of the 2010 draft by the Jays.
To make room for Frasor, the Jays outrighted Jim Hoey to Vegas. Out 40-man is full again with Jason.
It is an interesting move. Alex said he wanted another right-handed arm in the pen and he gets that with Jason. I'm glad Jason is back, I always liked him. He can add to his team record for appearances. Just when I thought the Jays weren't going to do anything while I was gone...
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I would slot this into another one of those trades that was completely unexpected
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Yep
and as a baseball fan I love it!
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jan 2, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
not completely
Alex had stated he was looking for another reliable bullpen arm he could use in the 7-9 (after we traded for Santos) as well as a left-hander. So, if we believed him (which I did), we knew he was looking for someone. We didn’t know it would be Frasor, but we knew Chicago was in firesale mode and Frasor is a good fit here. So, it wasn’t a choreographed move by any stretch of the imagination, but it fits the blueprint Alex publicly outlined perfectly, so I wouldn’t say it was completely unexpected.
A trade for a bullpen arm was (or should have been) expected based on AA’s December comments. Trading for Frasor was a possibility. Is that more clear?
I think the original comment is more about who the player is
then the move itself. With all the rumours floating around about who the Jays are interested, once again comes a trade that no one saw coming until it was complete..
by Playoffs!!!!1 on Jan 2, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Minor note
Hoey was outrighted on Dec 19, so it had nothing to with Frasor (the post was open), unless this has been brewing for two weeks.
Who the hell is Jim Hoey?
I must be out of it… How did we acquire him?
I don't understand this from a white sox perspective
Surely declining the option and offering arbitration offered more value then picking it up to trade him for 2 fringe prospects. If he accepts, then sure, make this trade, but as it is it makes no scene to me.
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
The Sox are having serious financial problems
They went “all in” with signing Dunn and re-signing Konerko, but as we saw last year the team pretty much blew up. Their budget was based on a winning (and playoff bound) season and did not. Suffered a major attendance and revenue drop. Pretty much crippled the Sox $ stream.
As I typed in the fanshot thread, I suspect the Sox were probably planning on keeping both Fraser and Quentin, but the unexpected extension of John Danks blew that plan out of the water forcing Kenny Williams to do two salary dumps for marginal prospects.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 1, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Even then
The most charitable thing I can say is that the process in that front office is incoherent.
And they didn’t have to entend Danks, they could have easily traded him, just apparently no one met their price
Could be an ownership/management difference.
Kind of like when Boras got the Steinbrenners to sign Soriano over Cashman’s objections
Or closer to home when Godfrey pushed the Wells extension on JPR.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 1, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Could be
And we know Reinsdorf has strong preferences (never spend money on the draft). But I still consider that an incoherent front office process/dynamic – I include an owner as part of the front office
Yeah, I see your point.
It could have been (sort of was) the Jays if Godfrey and his idiot style of “management” plus JP had stuck around longer.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 1, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure that someone could.
I understand that Yanks wanted Danks, but the White Sox weren’t going to get a Latos/Gonzales type return for only one year of cost “control.”
ie: no Montero or Killer Bs.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 1, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
"Killer Bs"
Are both very overrated – they’re B type prospects, not untouchables. That said, if no one’s meeting your price from Danks, it doesn’t mean you extend him (unless at very favourable terms), you wait and trade later, or lower your price and get what you can. If extending Danks necessitating firesale of other assets, it’s counterproductive
Not according to Yanks fans (understandable.)
However, both have some serious command/control issues so I have to agree with you.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 1, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Scouts like them too, particularly Banuelos
Brackman is garbage though.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
There is only 1 "n" in Hutchison
We win again
They gave us Edwin Jackson for basically a handful of nobodies now. Looks like the media was right, their GM is an idiot. He might be AA’s favorite target. The way the Vancouver Canucks always rob the Florida Panthers.
Man who has four balls cannot walk
by Beer Leaguer on Jan 1, 2012 5:39 PM EST via Android app reply actions
dont think zack stuwart is a nobody… we were all really high on him last year
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by pho king awesome on Jan 1, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
They're always "nobodies" AFTER we trade them
Ya, it’s always hilarious how when they’re our prospects they’re highly touted then suddenly they become nobodies when we’re celebrating trading them.
Zach Stewart was indeed a top-line prospect. And while we’re dismissing Daniel Webb as a late-round draft pick, we’re forgetting that he was a steal and we went three times over slot on him.
Either pitcher or both could turn into something impressive and come back to bite us. But ya gotta give something to get something. Let’s just not call guys nothing that a day before we thought were something.
by jabalong on Jan 1, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Never watching Zach Stewart...
…I thought based on his numbers he was a fireballer. He’s just a soft tosser :(
by BrownMagician on Jan 1, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
I Remember...
Prior to the 2010 season a lot of people complaining about Bautista not being the answer we needed in the lineup and were wondering if AA knew what he was doing after the Holliday trade.
This trade is good for both sides. The Jays fill their needs now with a reliable late inning relief pitcher. The Sox getting something to be hopeful for. Even if each never joins a rotation and become Frassor’s themselves, it’s a win/win for both clubs.
And I doubt that Danks will be in a ChiSox uniform come opening day. If he is, he won’t be come trade deadline. Someone will overpay for him.
Danks
Has a no trade clause for 2012. So he’s have to consent to be traded, which would be odd, considering he presumably negotiated the clause for a reason
I agree, that because of the no-trade it is very unlikely a move happens
However, I would think that another reason for getting the no-trade clause is so that he can control the destination of a trade – if he gets traded to a team like Baltimore, he has the right to not go. He may be willing to waive his no-trade clause if it means moving to a contender (or not, I have no way of knowing either way).
by Playoffs!!!!1 on Jan 2, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
is it not odd
that he signs a 5 yr extension and only gets the no trade clause for the first year? Really whats the point, if you are going to sign on for 5 more years you would think the team wouldn’t want to move you in that first year, and if for some reason they did, they won’t have to wait long to do it.
prevents a sign and trade.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
case study: Santos
If Santos, also from Chicago, had had a no trade clause for the first year in his new contract he wouldn’t be a Blue Jay right now. In other words, the White Sox have a (recent) history of sign and trades that Danks’ agent wanted to avoid.
Echo this I don’t think Zach Stewert is a nobody. I think he’ll have a major league career… it might be as part of a bullpen but I think he’ll stick.
All things being considered I think everyone came out fine in that trade. Cardinals won the WS, we got Rasmus, and the WS got 3 prospects and saved some money basically in exchange for a guy that was going to leave for free agency anyways.
for sure.
and actually I hope Rasmus turns things around, because they actually gave up quite a bit for him. 6 years of Zep, a decent prospect in Stewart, 2 picks, 4 months of good relief pitching. They also have to pay Mark Teahan over $5M I think. They sent an undisclosed amount of cash to the Cards. And Rasmus will make over $5M next season and if he has a good season, much more in 2013.
And now to get Frasor back, he sent over two low level prospects who may or may not pan out.
I never thought the Rasmus deal was a steal. AA is gambling and I hope it works.
so Careno back to the minors i suppose
he looked good in his brief time in the bigs, but give him a lot more innings & experience starting again this year in the minors. Jays may still pick up 1 more bullpen option
so AA can trade him for Heyward in July when Atlanta decides he has a bad attitude
by khaleeji on Jan 2, 2012 6:39 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I knew I forgot to ask santa for something
by Justin Azevedo on Jan 2, 2012 6:45 AM EST up reply actions
But probably no more Honey Nut Carrenos for you
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 1, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
As to AA the Blue Jays are now happy with their bullpen arms…. i don´t expect another move or maybe only some minor league contracts
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by jaysfanfromeurope on Jan 1, 2012 6:10 PM EST reply actions
Roster fantasy: How would Feilder and Oswalt look in new Blue Jay blue?
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"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
Fielder would look round
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by LeafFan1989 on Jan 1, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
HAHA I GET IT BECAUSE HE'S FAT
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
by Pikachu on Jan 1, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I bet he has less body fat than 50% of all SB Nation users.
by Eastwindquinn on Jan 1, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Which would be relevant
In the alternate universe where SB Nation users were looking for $200MM contracts
Man oh man
How valuable does a GM like Anthopoulos look next to the likes of Ken Williams and Tony Reagins.
The pen is fine
But without a #2 starter, we will not win 90 games.
The day he meats his potential will be beautiful. Really hope wwe get Oswalt as well.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
Well are you talking like steak or chicken?
It’s important what meat he has to reach.
"And I'm like forget Yuuuuuu"
How far away is this team really?
1 top/mid starter, 1 big bat?
Why not go for it now?
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
because it will cost us 250 million dollars
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 1, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Just listing the total dollar amount is a bit misleading nah? I mean the 250M number would be spread out over many years (some of which may not be accrued to us later in the event of a trade) and unless you advocate fielding replacement level players it’s going to take significant money to man those positions anyways.
Not that the number isn’t likely correct but it’s a bit more complex then that.
are we not going to have to spend something at some point
how much closer do you want us to get? I’m just asking how far away this team really is right now. And where the heck did you get 250 million from?
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 1, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
didn't appear as sarcasm
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jan 1, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Now let's bring back Scott Downs!
Okay, his salary is a little high. Scrabble, maybe?
by Defense Counts! on Jan 1, 2012 8:35 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Don't really understand the initial trade with frasor why give up a good prospect and frasor for nothing?
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by pho king awesome on Jan 1, 2012 8:59 PM EST reply actions
The Jays got Colby Rasmus, not nothing
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
by Pikachu on Jan 1, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Funny quote from Jason Frasor on AA
From Richard Griffin’s blog:
“I didn’t know what Alex wanted. I thought he might have wanted to talk. He likes to talk. He’s a talker.”
I wonder if AA calls up the players when he’s bored and just feels like shooting the breeze…
I think you have something there
day after AA is made GM
“Hi Yunel its AA. I’m gonna need you to do whatever you can to piss off Chipper, k? Thanks a lot.”
“Hi Colby, just a word of advice. Dont listen to La Russa. Got that? Cool, see ya later.”
Fast forward a few years and here we are…
by STZ513 on Jan 1, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
D'ya think...
…he might have done the same with Logan Morrison?
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jan 2, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
but really how?
I am really floored by how quite every trade AA makes is. I know he likes to work behind closed doors etc. But come on, never a peep? If you hear a rumor its untrue. You would think the other teams front offices would leak a story aleast once in a while. Do you think is just him working fast? How oh How is it always such a shock. Don’t get me wrong I love it but its amazing?
It may be a case where he tells the other team “if the rumours come out then the deal is off”
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 2, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
i remember this happening in the nfl this past offseason
Nnamdi Asomugha was said to be down to the jets and the cowboys. out of nowhere philly signed him. this was partly due to management telling his agent any rumors would break the talks. It was shocking seeing this happen in the nfl when it happens so regularly with AA
AA could be doing this
since some teams leak rumors to drive up the price and create bidding wars or having teams get cold feet if they aren’t “getting enough” from a reaction stand point.
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possable? Im almost scared to talk about anyone. We have been kicking around Oswalt, but if we are talking about it, its like AA isnt even thinking about it. He is working a deal for a stud #2 that will shock us all.
Please oh please
Let it be(_________).
Don’t worry I won’t jinx it by saying Felix Hernandez’ name.
Oh crud.
by BuffaloSojourn on Jan 2, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
Welcome back Frasor
That should be the bullpen to start the season off:
We do this every time we add someone to the bullpen, but it doesn’t hurt to have the depth chart in view:
Santos, Janssen, Frasor, Litsch, Oliver, Villanueva, Carreno, Perez, Carpenter and either Magnuson, Uviedo, or the 6th starter (Drabek, Laffey). And we have some more depth in Farquhar, Farina, Hoey, etc). I can see some more waiver claim / minor league contract signings to fill out the Las Vegas roster also.
To recap discussion from earlier posts, the bullpen will only have 7 men at any given time, but the likelihood of injuries and slumps mean that you usually want about 10 capable major league relievers (at least if you’re AA) plus minor league depth. If they’re all firing on all cylinders at the same time, you have some guys with options biding their time in AAA or you trade someone mid-season when relievers are in demand.
The bullpen depth has gone from a weakness to a strength, the lineup is starting to get intimidating 1-9 (seriously if Lind and Snider/Thames are the least threatening players in your lineup you’re doing something right) and we are well stocked in young starting pitching. There’s a lot to be excited for this Spring.
My new year's resolution of not coming on BBB until the season starts has already failed.
I liked Frasor, glad he’s back. Bullpen looks pretty darn solid and if the Jays suck around the trade deadline, AA can probably trade some of them.
And welcome back
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 2, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Officially the worst New Year's Resolution Ever.
Boo!!
+1 is only good if you actually rec the post
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 2, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Objection
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
Happy New Year's BBB
I hope everyone had a great holiday season… I would like to wish a safe, healthy and prosperous 2012 to all!!!
I am overhaul that AA did on the bullpen this season. The best part is that it isn’t over because we still get to see what draft picks we will get for Francisco and Rauch signing with the Mets. As it stands right now I think we have the arms for our bullpen to be extremely competitive in 2012. What do you guys think?
I have to admit, I never once imagined we would see Frasor back in Toronto and when AA was saying he needed another reliable RH reliever, Frasor was nowhere in my thought process for whom that was going to be. Once again the Ninja strikes, and the Blue jays are starting 2012 off on the right foot.
Now about that middle of the order bat, Alex…
err
second paragraph should read “I like the overhaul that AA did on the Jays ’pen”.
Sorry for the mistake I sliced my thumb over the holidays and have a huge bandaid on my left hand making typing slightly difficult to say the least ;-)
by TrueBlue4Ever! on Jan 2, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
good one. Yeah, I pulled a “Cecil”…
by TrueBlue4Ever! on Jan 2, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
A link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGlY3ubGzUY&feature=related
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jan 2, 2012 2:23 PM EST reply actions
Blue Jay prospect ratings by Beyond the Box Score
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
by Redonred on Jan 2, 2012 3:00 PM EST via Android app reply actions
this is great work
Love the ranking system.
by TrueBlue4Ever! on Jan 2, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like the ranking system
The tiers are okay, but the points are arbitrary and don’t tell us anything.
The scouting reports he has for players are more summaries than full scouting reports, there’s a few nice tidbits (this is all free content, and I’m happy to get anything so this isn’t a complaint).
In general, it’s pretty realistic, though my criticism would be he’s basically ranking by ceiling, not considering the likelihoods of reaching them – Syndergaard’s ceiling is certainly top tier, but there’s a high washout rate so I’d hesitate thinking of him as the highest tier type prospect
Remember, these rankings aren’t created with the intention of recognizing hidden talent in an organization. To be completely straight-forward, this is done to rank team’s prospects based on the impact they will have on their club once they have reached their potential and are in the majors.
From the article
so it would seem the question Gershman is attempting to answer is: if the top 12 prospects (where he gets those top 12 from is a questionmark, but they mostly lineup with other rankings, just not necessarily in the same order) for each major league team were to reach the majors which team would be better.
No I understood that
I understand he’s ranking by ceiling, I’m just saying I don’t necessarily find that the most useful way to think about prospects.
That said, as I said above, it’s free analysis, and there’s some nice pieces of info in there, so it’s rich for me to be compaining.
Frasor? Really? Might as well bring back Josh Towers while you're at it
Hey…is BJ Ryan still available?
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
Frasor is better than both Towers asn post surgery Ryan. Actually Frasor is one of the more dependable relievers out there. He has also proven his effectiveness in the best division in baseball for years. Seriously why are people mad about this offseason? Because the media made up a bunch of garbage rumours? (not directed at you)
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
It is quite odd how the public opinion on the Jays seems to have changed so abruptly
I mean, coming into this off-season, people didn’t seem to really expect the Jays to be big spenders. I’m pretty sure everything I read was that people were onboard with the constant improvements we have been seeing and continuing with the thorough rebuild of this team. But then all the rumours about the Jays going after every big ticket free agent / player on the market, and all of a sudden AA has been an absolute failure because he is not closing on these mirage deals, mostly made up by talking heads at various media outlets, and agents / other front offices driving up the price for their players.
by Playoffs!!!!1 on Jan 3, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
maybe it's because the Leafs are actually above .500 for the first winter in decades. Raises expectations
The @@ means its a joke
But what does the joke have to do with public opinion on the Jays?
Might I suggest someone changes the blog tagline
Cause every time I forget about the heartbreak in losing out on Darvish I come on here and I’m reminded. Maybe it’s time to move on.
Horshak is AA?
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by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 3, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
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