"True" Blue Jays Are Rare
With the return of the Jason Frasor, the Blue Jays' franchise leader in appearances, I noted that both he and the Dave Stieb Duane Ward (#2 on that list) both played their entire their career with Toronto except for a two-month stint with the Chicago White Sox and the Atlanta Braves, respectively (h/t to @Bam_86 for noting the error). That brief sojourn out of the Jays franchise have disqualified the two pitchers from lists such as Beyond The Boxscore's All True teams. And taking a look at that list, you could see that the Jays do have a lack of history with regards to keeping their own players for their entire career.
In this mini-post, we'll look at the players who have played a significant amount of time in the Major Leagues but have never played for another Major League team other than the Toronto Blue Jays. Note that some of these players may have played in the minors for another organization.
More after the jump.
For hitters, I have set the minimum playing time as 300 games:
| Rk | Player | G | F | From | To | Age | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | IBB | SO | HBP | SH | SF | GDP | SB | CS | Pos | Tm | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Garth Iorg | 931 | 1 | 1978 | 1987 | 23-32 | 2615 | 2450 | 251 | 633 | 125 | 16 | 20 | 238 | 114 | 9 | 298 | 11 | 21 | 19 | 55 | 23 | 17 | .258 | .292 | .347 | .639 | *54/73D68 | TOR |
| 2 | Adam Lind | 621 | 1 | 2006 | 2011 | 22-27 | 2534 | 2331 | 296 | 622 | 132 | 7 | 106 | 367 | 165 | 17 | 497 | 14 | 3 | 21 | 52 | 5 | 4 | .267 | .316 | .466 | .782 | D73 | TOR |
For starters, I have set the minimum number of starts as 50:
| Rk | Player | F | From | To | Age | G | GS ▾ | CG | SHO | GF | W | L | SV | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | HR | BF | IBB | HBP | BK | WP | Tm | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Luis Leal | 1 | 1980 | 1985 | 23-28 | 165 | 151 | 27 | 3 | 6 | 51 | 58 | .468 | 1 | 946.0 | 968 | 476 | 435 | 320 | 491 | 4.14 | 103 | 101 | 4057 | 24 | 22 | 6 | 23 | TOR |
| 2 | Ricky Romero | 1 | 2009 | 2011 | 24-26 | 93 | 93 | 7 | 3 | 0 | 42 | 29 | .592 | 0 | 613.0 | 557 | 271 | 245 | 241 | 493 | 3.60 | 119 | 59 | 2570 | 5 | 32 | 3 | 33 | TOR |
| 3 | Jesse Litsch | 1 | 2007 | 2011 | 22-26 | 88 | 67 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 27 | 27 | .500 | 1 | 417.2 | 430 | 214 | 193 | 119 | 239 | 4.16 | 104 | 55 | 1774 | 6 | 21 | 0 | 10 | TOR |
| 4 | Brett Cecil | 1 | 2009 | 2011 | 22-24 | 66 | 65 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 26 | 22 | .542 | 0 | 389.2 | 413 | 214 | 201 | 134 | 273 | 4.64 | 92 | 57 | 1680 | 3 | 12 | 1 | 8 | TOR |
| 5 | Jerry Garvin | 1 | 1977 | 1982 | 21-26 | 196 | 65 | 15 | 1 | 50 | 20 | 41 | .328 | 8 | 606.0 | 648 | 319 | 298 | 219 | 320 | 4.43 | 94 | 74 | 2624 | 22 | 11 | 3 | 7 | TOR |
| 6 | Dustin McGowan | 1 | 2005 | 2011 | 23-29 | 80 | 60 | 3 | 1 | 5 | 20 | 24 | .455 | 0 | 374.2 | 365 | 216 | 200 | 154 | 305 | 4.80 | 92 | 36 | 1623 | 6 | 17 | 1 | 31 | TOR |
And for all pitchers, including relievers, I have set the minimum appearances to 100:
| Rk | Player | F | From | To | Age | G ▾ | GS | CG | SHO | GF | W | L | SV | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | HR | BF | IBB | HBP | BK | WP | Tm | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Casey Janssen | 1 | 2006 | 2011 | 24-29 | 221 | 22 | 0 | 0 | 54 | 21 | 19 | .525 | 9 | 331.0 | 350 | 152 | 140 | 90 | 223 | 3.81 | 116 | 31 | 1417 | 8 | 18 | 2 | 13 | TOR |
| 2 | Jerry Garvin | 1 | 1977 | 1982 | 21-26 | 196 | 65 | 15 | 1 | 50 | 20 | 41 | .328 | 8 | 606.0 | 648 | 319 | 298 | 219 | 320 | 4.43 | 94 | 74 | 2624 | 22 | 11 | 3 | 7 | TOR |
| 3 | Luis Leal | 1 | 1980 | 1985 | 23-28 | 165 | 151 | 27 | 3 | 6 | 51 | 58 | .468 | 1 | 946.0 | 968 | 476 | 435 | 320 | 491 | 4.14 | 103 | 101 | 4057 | 24 | 22 | 6 | 23 | TOR |
| 4 | Jesse Carlson | 1 | 2008 | 2010 | 27-29 | 162 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 27 | 8 | 8 | .500 | 3 | 141.1 | 121 | 60 | 57 | 47 | 114 | 3.63 | 120 | 16 | 587 | 12 | 7 | 2 | 4 | TOR |
| 5 | Mike Willis | 1 | 1977 | 1981 | 26-30 | 144 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 71 | 7 | 21 | .250 | 15 | 296.0 | 312 | 161 | 151 | 124 | 149 | 4.59 | 90 | 36 | 1295 | 15 | 3 | 1 | 9 | TOR |
I have bolded all players still with the team. When Jesse Carlson plays his first regular season game with the Red Sox, he'll come off the last list.
So in total, the Blue Jays have 12 11 players on the list following this criteria (Luis Leal and Jerry Garvin appears twice) (h/t Lutherie for spotting the error). I don't have the time to go through each franchise, but just in comparison, let's look at the New York Yankees. I will limit the date range to 1977-2011 and impose the same minimum playing times as above. In that time period, the Yankees have had 11 batters, surprisingly just 2 starters, and 5 pitchers filling this criteria. Adding it all together and taking away duplicate (or triplicate) entries, we end up with 14 players--not much different from the Jays' number.
The biggest difference is the total number of games the top single-franchise player has recorded: For batters, Garth Iorg leads for the Jays at 931 while Derek Jeter has 2426 for the Yankees. In fact, discounting pitchers from that list, 7 Yankees batters on that list have played more games than Iorg. Ron Guidry's 323 starts also eclipse Luis Leal's 151. And of course, Mariano Rivera's 1042 appearances destroys Casey Janssen's meagre 221. So the Yankees don't just go out to buy free agents, they also do a good job at developing and keeping their own talent.
I am not trying to make any conclusions about the pros and cons of keeping home-grown players for their entire career, I was just interested in taking a look at these numbers. As long as a player does well and wins with the team, I don't think many of us care where else they play in their career. Dave Stieb, George Bell, Tony Fernandez, Joe Carter, Roberto Alomar, Carlos Delgado, Roy Halladay, and Jose Bautista are well-loved Blue Jays and most fans don't love them any less just because they have worn other franchises' jerseys.
It looks like Ricky Romero can (and hopefully will) break Luis Leal's record in late 2013, but will he stay in Toronto for his entire career in order to hold on to it? Similarly, do you think we will see any Blue Jay break Garth Iorg's record? With some folks around here looking to move Adam Lind or to move him to platoon, it is certainly questionable, but if he keeps starting, Lind may hit the mark in early 2014. After Adam Lind among active players is Travis Snider at 232 games (Russ Adams, who retired from the New York Mets organization last spring, is at 286 games).
Source of all data: the great Baseball-Reference.com
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by Frag on Jan 2, 2012 5:35 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Hey now
Credit the illustrator
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 2, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
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Fix’d
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Though, I'll create my own shop anyway

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by Frag on Jan 2, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Unless he turns into the hulk
Pitchers won’t like it when he’s angry
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Yes, especially it turns him into a Blue Man.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 2, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This one could have worked too
by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 2, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Don't worry I called "No Jinx" before posting.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 2, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
come on guys
GREEN THIS
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 2, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'm old enough to remember Jerry Garvin and Luis Leal.
There were big hopes for them. What happened? Injuries, I assume.
In these days of free agency, life-long players with one team are almost unheard of.
You have to get someone like Jeter — who’ll be overpaid for the rest of his career — who not only wants to play for the same team but who is also popular enough with the fans that management decides it’s worth keeping him even when he’s well past his prime.
What about a "True Blue Jays" fan fraternity?.
I can vaguely remember the first game..I was only 5. Just remember the snow actually.
Two home runs for Doug Ault!
We destroyed the White Sox!
Well, not really, but it seemed so at the time. The Jays went 5-2 to start their franchise life.
by Defense Counts! on Jan 2, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Great name
Greater batting stance
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 3, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
where the hell is his centre of gravity when he’s like that?!? holy cow
by Justin Azevedo on Jan 3, 2012 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
It probably explains his hitting stats.
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What madman created that video?
weirdness
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 3, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
What you don't think Garth Iorg and Adlai Stevenson don't naturally go together?
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 3, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
It made my head asplode

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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 3, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I missed your gifs
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 3, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Bullpen
looks pretty balanced and sexy to me right now. The rotation should be a little more confident in going right at batters when they’ve got a lead this season. Glad to have Frasor back!
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Could loosen the parameters
I like this idea of a “true blue” team of Jays who played their whole careers with the Jays, but I think you could loosen the parameters a bit.
For instance, someone like Kelly Gruber who played his entire career with the team except for an 18-game postcript season with the Angels is “true blue” in my books.
And frankly, I’d open it up to players who played the majority of their careers with us, so for instance someone like George Bell and his nine seasons with us is “true blue”, even though he spent his last three seasons in Chicago.
When it came to a player I’d ask myself, if he went into the Hall of Fame, would they put a Blue Jay cap on his plaque. If the answer is yes, then that’s “true blue” enough for me.

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