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Big Free Agent Contracts: A Different Approach

A couple days ago, SuckaMD took a look at how various players who got $100-million contracts had performed over the course of their contracts, and came to the conclusion that they weren't necessarily as poor value as conventionally thought. If you haven't already read it, it's definitely worth reading before continuing here.

The main issue I had was that due to high inflation across baseball over the last decade, and even before that, it makes it difficult to compare value across a long-term contract in aggregate, which to me meant it's hard to draw an inference by totalling up WAR and comparing it to the total cost. I was initially just going to put a few thoughts in the comments, but as I looked deeper and crunched some numbers, more information and conclusions came out that I thought merited a seperate post. My approach would have been to calculate the value produced compared to the salary received in each year, calculate the surplus value, and then compare it to the total salary on a percentage basis to see whether players were overpaid or not. It looks like this for A-Rod's first contract:

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Before I get to the data, a couple quick notes on my method:

  • I loosened the criteria from $100M+ to $70M+ contracts. This gives us several elite players who signed contracts pre-2001, and were they signing today would easily be $100M+. It gives us a larger sample of 17 players, and yet all the players were pretty much elite players in their primes when they signed.
  • I used an average of fWAR and rWAR, to smooth out some differences in defensive measurements and such.
  • I didn't include the value of any team options (other than buyouts, which have to be paid), since the team is not obligated to pick them up. Likewise, any player options are included, since the team is committed to pay it. This really only figured into the first A-Rod contract.
  • For the $/WAR value, I used Fangraphs' numbers, and for years prior to 2002 I extrapolated using the average growth from 2002-10.
  • Most of the contract info comes from Cot's Contracts (except for where they didn't have some retired players), and of course WAR numbers from Fangraphs and Baseball-Reference.
  • For contracts that are not complete, I've only included the production and salaries paid to date. I also didn't include any contracts signed after 2010 (Werth, Crawford, Beltre), since there's only one year of data, though it does not change the result materially.

The Results

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On average, a free agent position player on a big contract only produces about 78% of the salary he's paid, and of the 17 players in the sample, only 4 produced positive value (24%). But that's not the end of the story, since there's bias here. We know that teams usually get more value on the front end of the contract, and take a hit on the back end. But almost one-third of the players in the sample still have years left, which means the latter parts of some contracts are missing. To adjust for this, I projected player performance for the remaining years of the contracts, using a 5/4/3 weight of 2009 to 2011 WAR, with a -0.5 WAR/year aging curve and 7% salary inflation. It's definitely not perfect, but serves as a quick and simple approximation. We get the following: 731f8l_large

The intuition is correct, as the aggregate value produced compared to value received is slightly lower at 75%, though broadly in line with the above results.

Trends in the Results

First, I wanted to look at whether the larger the contract, the worse the ratio of production-to-salary, so I plotted the size of the contract against the Gain/Loss %:

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The relationship appears to be very weak, and is modestly negative. However, on review, there is one clear outlier, the first Alex Rodriguez contract. Though widely considered a huge overpayment at the time it was signed, time has shown that it was good value in absolute terms, and particularly so relative to other large contracts. If we remove that contract, we get a much stronger relationship:

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We can see from this relationship that on larger contracts, not only is loss of dollars proportionately larger, but in fact there's a double whammy - you also lose a higher percentage of the salary. Though the size of the contract only explains 20% of the total variation, that is reasonably strong considering that teams should be more wary the larger the deal. If anything, I expected a positive relationship to reflect risk aversion (a $75M contract isn't as crippling to a team budget as a $200M contract).

To me, this leads to three possible conclusions, which I shall analyze later in the article with some additional data:

1) Teams generally overbid for premium free agents and end up overpaying, and are victims of the winner's curse;

2) There are significant non-baseball revenues generated by premium free agents that aren't being captured in this analysis;

3) The value of premium free agents ($/WAR) isn't linear, and the balancing factors that result in linear $/WAR for most free agents are different for premium free agents.

The second trend I want to investigate is whether over time, have teams got smarter at getting value from big contracts. I plotted the Gain/Loss % against the year the contract was given out:

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What we see a modest linear trend showing teams getting better value over time, however, the regression only explains about 5% of the variation. If we use a polynomial regression (of degree two) instead, we see that teams got better value over time, peaking around 2005, and since them have been getting worse value. The peak corresponds when with a time when owners were claiming to be losing money, so it's possible that the market was either more disciplined for a period of time, or that there were fewer teams that could afford these contracts. Also, the dollar value of the contracts given out were generally smaller, so it's possibly just the effect discussed above. I tried weighting each data point by the contract value and running the regression, but I feared that violated some OLS regression assumptions, so I left it out.. For what it's worth, the results of this indicated no relationship with the year whatsoever.

What About Non-Free Agents?

Finally, I wanted to look at another class of players who have received similarly large contracts, but not as free agents, in order to see how the value produced to salary ratio varies. This sample is made up of players who received contract extensions covering free agent years, but who didn't actually test free agency. In theory, these players have significant leverage (the ability to test free agency imminently), but can't negotiate with all teams to provoke an auction. In this group, I only include players who signed contracts buying out free agent years only, or where the vast majority of the years were free agent years (only one arb year, two in the case of Miguel Cabrera). I then excluded the salary and production from the years when they would not have been free agent eligible.

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We see that the results here are much better for teams compared to buying similar talent in free agency. This would seem to suggest that even among elite players, the value is roughly close to the linear market rate. If there was value beyond the baseball production, we might expect to see it reflected here, as most of these players would be considered "franchise" players, yet really we don't. Therefore, it would seem to me that premium free agents certainly do get overpaid, at least to some extent. It's also possible that a selection bias is at work, and that a player's original team, who presumably has the most information about the player, make very smart decisions about whom to extend and whom to let test free agency. A couple notes on inclusions and exclusions:

  • I struggled with whether to include Joe Mauer, since he is only one year into his extension and it was one of his worst years, but ultimately did since it was a huge extension that is similar to others included and belongs in the sample.
  • Carlos Delgado is included because while the total contract value fell slightly under $70M, it was the highest annual value at the time he signed the deal, which is significant.
  • I also excluded Ken Griffey Jr and Jeff Bagwell. Griffey's extension was at far below market value since he wanted to play at home in Cincinnati (Seattle offered him 8 years/$148M, he took $116.5M over 9 years, which would skew the data). Bagwell retired before the end of the contract and it wasn't clear to me exactly how much money he received.

Again, I looked at the same sample, projecting the rest of the contracts forward in the same manner as was done with the free agent sample, and there's a similar deterioration, though that is largely attributable to Mauer and Wells (otherwise it's almost breakeven overall).

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Conclusion:

On average, it appears that big contracts given out to free agents result in a loss of value of 20-25% of the contracts. There is minimal evidence that teams are getting better value over time, but that the larger the contract, the less production you expect to recoup relative to the salary commitment. When compared to extensions given out that cover free agents years, the loss appears to the greater, though the extension sample has smaller contracts on average.

I'm looking at doing pitchers next, depending on the interest level. I've done my best to not miss any contracts, but I've omitted one that fits the criteria, please leave a comment and I'll update and include.

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On average, it appears that big contracts given out to free agents result in a loss of value of 20-25% of the contracts.

Depending on the position of the club at the time, and the options available, that’s not necessarily an unacceptable loss so long as it’s factored it. It really underlines though how bad these kinds of contracts are for small market teams. Factoring in that loss when it represents 5% of your payroll is a lot easier to bear than if it represents 20%. I like that as a nice way to look at the financial side of the value of the contract, and it nicely lays out how you can look at risk versus return weighted against the club’s expected financial outlay over the duration when applied to a potential FA signing.

Very nice work.

by dexfarkin on Jan 2, 2012 9:49 PM EST reply actions  

Some loss is definitely acceptable

Most of the players with modest lost values are still very valuable to their teams, and swallowing a year or two of a player being an albatross could be worth 4 or 5 years of superstar production, although as dexfarkin said it does depend on a team’s payroll

by ppppfffft on Jan 2, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s what’s interesting…the conventional wisdom is exactly that…4/5 years of superstar production, and then the player is an albatross. But looking over each player (the charts like the one for A-Rod, for obvious reasons I didn’t post all 17), you can broadly divide it into two types of players: the type of guys who are described above, and guys who flopped right from the beginning. If you get one of the former, you’ll do okay…the backend might be a little ugly, but the front more or less was what you wanted. You can live with this. The other guys are albatrosses more or less from the get go. And if a small or mid-market franchise gets one of these, it’s basically crippling.

Here’s a graph I didn’t about putting in the article. It shows the Gain/Loss % by Contract year, along with the observations by year:
So we can’t really say anything about Years 8-10, but it’s downhill from Year 3 onwards. So really, you get on average two years of good value, 3 years of middling production, and after that it’s pretty bad. This is a little different than the conventional narrative, which says you get 4-5 good years, and then take a hit. It’s more like 2 good years, 3 okay years, and then awful

by MjwW on Jan 3, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

but apply some general rules of thumb to that conventional wisdom

ie, players tend to decline fairly gradually, and your result makes perfect intuitive sense. you get a couple of prime years, then gradual decline sets in. after a few years of decline taking its toll, the contract becomes terrible

by benk on Jan 3, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's another interesting one

Sample sample size caveat applies to this, but I took the 8 FA positions players would had data for years 6 and 7, and plotted the Gain/Loss% in Years 1 and 2 against the Gain/Loss in Years 6 and 7:

I didn’t display the line of best fit, because it’s a flat line and the R^2 was literally 0, to 6 decimals. In other words, the amount of value delivered in Years 1 and 3 has no predictive value for Year 6 and 7. This kinda makes sense, since they’d be well off their peak, but it suggests that, for example if the Cardinals don’t contend next year, and they decide to rebuild, they’d do well to deal someone like Matt Holliday as soon as possible.

by MjwW on Jan 3, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Only from a purely financial perspective. If you’re looking at these numbers knowing you’re ultimately going to eat 25% of the ‘true’ market’ value, but the first four years will be likely be your window of contending years and you know you’ve got the payroll flexibility to absorb the cost in the final years of the contract, it might be absolutely worth it.

I think of terrible contracts as contracts that limit the team in some ways, not just ones that underperform for the cost.

by dexfarkin on Jan 3, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That sure does seem like a ton of conditions

But I agree, I understand that you’ll overpay for premium FAs but the fact is they’re irreplacable, you can’t just go out and find someone else because they won’t get the same WAR. You sign these big deals because you need that absolute value not to get surplus value. It comes back to the whole linear $/WAR thing, When their WAR is in the 95th percentile you have to just pay whatever you need to and just hope they continue to stay in that range.

by T_Mizz on Jan 3, 2012 4:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t think the conditions are all that complex. You can overspend for WAR when the expected return puts you in your window of contention, or when you have the kind of payroll expectations that overpaying them in their decline phase doesn’t represent an inordinate burden on your active financial flexibility. If neither of those two things are not present, it makes signing that kind of long term contract likely an irresponsible risk for a club.

And I think that’s the core element behind why individual value is relative on each contract. Even if Fielder signed for far below market value with, say, the Pirates, it doesn’t represent the same value since even undermarket, he’d represent a huge percentage of their payroll and hinder them from adding the pieces that they’d need to go from a sub .500 club to a contention. Good contract as judged by the market, bad contract as judged by the club. Vice versa, A-Rod signs a contract way over market value for the expected return, but considering the position of the Yankees at the time and the ability to absorb the loss at the back end without hindering their ability to compete, buying out the last of his prime years when there isn’t a strong candidate for his position in the org is worth paying for the loss when he’s limited to part-time LF and DH. Bad contract as judged by the market, good contract as judged by the club.

by dexfarkin on Jan 3, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's what I'm curious about

What, if anything, do you make of the graph showing that in general the larger contracts end up being proportionately larger losers in terms of value. Because, at some point there’s a limit – maybe 20-25% is acceptable, but for the really premium guys, it might be more than that. I realize big market teams can afford more mistakes, but at some point there’s a limit to what they can pay. And in fact, we may be seeing it, since they have a ton of commited money, not particularly well performing money, and any moey they spend now is luxury taxes at 40% of or so, meaning the benefit/cost calculation is further skewed. I understand what you mean, but at some point, paying above generic market value, even for premium talent, is just prohibitive and irrational.

One thing to keep in mind in that is that some of those contracts actually look smaller than they are, since they’re not over – I ran a correlation between the Gain/Loss and the total contract value, and the relationship was still weaker (R^2 = 0.1). In hindsight, a linear model probably makes less sense then something like a logarithmic model, where there’s essentially a predicted limit to the loss.

One thing I want to do is do the same study of contracts in a $40-60M range. When I started to expand this from what SuckaMD has as a sample, I thought about having $50M as the cutoff, so I have a list. My hypothesis would be that these mid-range guys are actually pretty good value, in terms of surplus value. If this is correct, what do you think it implies about the way you think about these contracts, if any?

by MjwW on Jan 5, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand what you mean, but at some point, paying above generic market value, even for premium talent, is just prohibitive and irrational.

I don’t like statements like that, because I think it attempts to simplify the complex balance of factors into a truism. Paying above generic market value as an ongoing business model becomes prohibitive and irrational, but applied to specific circumstances can make sense. It gets into grey territory because, as we’ve talked about, the value of a player to a club can be impacted by elements beyond just the straight performance of the player against the average market value by WAR.

I think A-Rod is an interesting case in looking at the value of a contract to a club. If he makes even 50% of the $/WAR of that contract over the ten years, I’d be amazed. But it doesn’t automatically make it a bad contract for the Yankees. When he signed, their system had no incumbant 3B prospects coming up and the FA market was thin. His offense, while not meeting the level of his contract, is still in the top tier by position, and even counting for decline, should remain so for a couple more years. He’s got several milestones coming that you can be relatively confident he’ll get, such as his HR, that offers major marketing opportunities for the club. Most importantly, the team has made the playoffs every year since he signed and won a World Series. You can argue that they probably would have without him, but the fact remains that he is a core componant of a playoff caliber team.

So you’ve got all of that factoring in on the massive overpayment for performance with a club that’s got the financial support to carry it. Even at his most expensive at the end of that contract, as he’s making $30M a year as an often injured DH and benchplayer, adjusted for inflation, he’s still not going to represent more than 15% of the team’s payroll; an expensive waste, but not hugely limiting.

That’s why I think that, in context, you can consider A-Rod’s contract good for the Yankees, even if it is bad by market standards and made worse if held by most other clubs. That was my point that even good market contracts for elite talent can be considered bad if held by the wrong clubs.

As for the $40M-$60M range of contracts, I wouldn’t be surprised if they mostly equalized out in terms of value, just because of the volume of them, and the limited risk involved. Usually you’re buying either a lot of years cheap, or paying a premium for a shorter duration of near-prime years. Where I expect there to be the biggest pattern of loss would be pitching: FAs or extentions on starters and closers in the Pavano/Ryan mould.

by dexfarkin on Jan 5, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That was my point that even good market contracts for elite talent can be considered bad if held by the wrong clubs.

A-Roid is the perfect example. The first contract was a good market contract, but despite that, it was bad for Texas. So bad, that they paid the Yankees heavily to take it off their hands.

by siggian on Jan 5, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

He was putting up monster numbers, but they had no hope of getting and keeping talent around him.

by dexfarkin on Jan 5, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Belated response

I understand where you’re coming from, but I still can’t get on board with your method of evaluation, it’s just too subjective a set of criteria for me. It seems to me that one can pretty much justify almost any contract in this manner depending what you want to empahsize. Basically, the way I interpret it, since the Yankees have such a big budget, any individual contract that they sign cannot be a bad contract, since it will be a fairly small contract in the larger context. The problem is, all those bad contracts start adding up…$27M for A-Rod, $17M for Jeter, $22M for Teixeria, and pretty soon you end up with a lot of money for once elite players who are in their decline phase.

If you were arguing for somehow factoring in the contract-to-payroll ratio in an objective sense, I could get on board. But value for money counts, even if it’s the Yankees. I don’t see any objective way you can justify the second A-Rod contract is good for the Yankees. Sure, it’s not crippling for them the way it would be for other teams, but at best that’s a neutral factor.

I want to conclude by making a parallel. Imagine a large corporation that has an unexpected $100M at the end of the year, and so they decide to make an acquisition (the corporate equivalent of buying a free agent, on average they destroy value). Two years later they sell the business they acquired for $50M because it turns out the company was not a good fit, and shareholders are upset. The management is not going to be able to get away with saying, well, it wasn’t a big part of value, so it doesn’t really matter. The shareholders will be rightfully upset, because they’ve lost value. At the end of the day, any organization has limits and faces constraints – the money could always be used a different way. To accept losing 50% of the on-field performance value of baseball contracts on the basis of the organization’s budget (absent palpable evidence of other value) is not holding management to a high enough standard. In many ways, it reminds of the way large corporations have atrophied in the past – they overspend here and there and bad acquisitions, and evenutally it comes home to roost.

by MjwW on Jan 8, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand where you’re coming from, but I still can’t get on board with your method of evaluation, it’s just too subjective a set of criteria for me.

The point, MjwW, is that there isn’t a single set of baseline value. The market value of a contract is simply one aspect of it’s value, and it does not encompass the entire picture.

As I keep saying, you can ‘generally’ look at contracts and the cost per win by a team and by individual players and make some broad assessments. Generally, the teams that buy the most wins for the least money are the teams that are appropriately allocating their resources. And generally a team that operates on overpaying for wins as an club philosophy will find it unsustainable. We have no argument there.

But baseball has a single point of value for the money, which is why your corporate parallel isn’t applicable. Did you make the post season? If the answer is no, than it doesn’t matter how cost effective you were or how smart your contracts are, you failed as an organization. Likewise, it doesn’t matter how bloated the Yankees payroll is, until it impedes their ability to compete. Since signing A-Rod’s extention, they’ve made the post season every year, and won a world series. You can argue that they might have been able to make it without A-Rod and with a more efficient use of funds, but you can’t argue the point that they did make it with A-Rod. Bad contract in the context of objective return by market value, but so far, good contract for the Yankees in accomplishing their priority.

Go back to my example of Prince Fielder. He agrees to a massive discount and signs with the Pirates for $15M a year for six years. Everyone agrees that based on market value, that’s a terrific contract, right? But by adding $15M, the Pirates are now obiligied to move, say, $10M in salaries because they have a hard cap at $50M with their ownership. Now you have a team that has no ability to add talent or extend their own players until other money comes off the books. And as talented as Fielder is, even the best case scenario helps them become an 80 win team, which is not enough for the post season. It’s a good contract for the market, but a terrible one for the Pirates to add.

There’s the problem. Spending money intelligently and missing the playoffs and spending money stupidly and missing the playoffs have the exact same final value at the end of the year, unless your priority as a front office is to maximize your dollar return regardless of standings. Connie Mack used to do that – sell his guys at their peak value, and aimed to finish fourth so that his team would be in contention to sell well at the gate every year, but then he didn’t have to pay post-season bonuses.

by dexfarkin on Jan 9, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But baseball has a single point of value for the money…Did you make the post season? If the answer is no, than it doesn’t matter how cost effective you were or how smart your contracts are, you failed as an organization.
Spending money intelligently and missing the playoffs and spending money stupidly and missing the playoffs have the exact same final value at the end of the year, unless your priority as a front office is to maximize your dollar return regardless of standings.

I think these two statements are very instructive as to the nature of our fundamental disagreement. I disagree that there is one singular goal for a baseball franchise at the MLB level as you identify, as it ignores the reality that they operate as businesses. There are two goals, and I see them as essentially co-equal and interdependent. First, you have success on the field, second, you have making money and increasing franchise value. Now generally, these two are mutally supportive; that is to say, at the industry (macro) level, better onfield performance is generally good for financial performance. However, at the team (micro) level, these two goals are often in tension with each other, and there are trade-offs to be made.

If I had to say that one was more important than the other, I’d go with the financial side, because quite frankly, most owners will not try to win at the expense of big short-term losses . That said, you do see some owners who want to win championships, and in the long-run championship teams increase revenues, so I see them as more or less equal. But to conclude that a MLB organization has failed if it doesn’t win a championship is a false premise. From the fan’s view, perhaps, but certainly not for the organization, especially when the ownership is corporate (I’ll return to this below).

From a purely baseball point of view, I agree with your framework of analyzing contracts, though I would modify the language slightly to asking the following two questions:

  1. Does the signing likely increase the team’s chances of making the playoffs?
  2. Can the contract be assumed without causing other salary displacement (or reasonably not likely to do so) and if it does, will this decrease the chance of making the playoffs?

If the answer to both questions is yes, it’s a good contract, if the answer is no to both, it’s not. If the answer is mixed, then it’s ambiguous. Now, I’m not sure in practical terms we can really hope to accurately answer these questions, but the point is, this is an objective framework to use to analyze how good a signing is from a baseball point of view. More importantly, we don’t even need to talk about value for money in terms of $/WAR production, that framework isn’t applicable here, because it is essentially taking a macro top-down approach, whereas this is asking a micro question, where we’re looking from the bottom-up.

My problem is, your approach stops here, and I don’t think that’s a complete or sufficient analysis because it ignores the corporate organizational objective. We have to ask, does it actually make sense to give yourself the increased shot at the playoff? In other words, does the added revenue justify the added costs. This is what my analysis is trying to do, though it does it indirectly, because we don’t know the Marginal Revenue Product of individual contracts (you’ll recall this from our previous discussion). But fundamentally, you have to a financial cost/benefit analysis, because putting a better team on the field won’t necessarily increase revenues….there’s a diminishing marginal return to more wins (part 2 here, and another link on conclusions Nate Silver reached several years ago).

For example, if the Yankees project (hypothetically) as a 97 win team next year, with a distribution of 90 to 105 wins, would it make sense to sign Prince Fielder to upgrade their DH? Well, using the above test, would it give them a better chance to make the playoffs? Yes, certainly so because it would move the win distribution to something like 94 to 108 wins, which means on the lower end the chance of making it is much higher. And let’s assume if gave the contract, they’ve decided they can afford it long-term. So it’s a good baseball contract. But the expected revenue increase is pretty small, so finanically, it’s not a good deal.

Now, you can argue that the $/WAR methodology is a bad way of approximating the marginal revenue gained from production. A lot of people do. I don’t love it, but I think it’s the best approach we’ve got in our toolkit right now, because you’d need to know a lot of team specific factors (I made a list in another thread, I think it was a discussion we were having). But that’s not the criticism that I understand you to have made.

So, for me, at the end of the day, to analze a contract. we have to balance the baseball objective, and the financial objective. I would submit that even if the A-Rod contract passes a baseball test, it fails the financial objective, because the Yankees will only get 50% of the cost back in terms of performance (and therefore as revenue, using the $/WAR proxy), it’s a financial failure. That means, for me, it’s somewhat ambiguous – it’s neither necessarily good, nor necessarily bad. then we’d have to look at how the particularl team stresses each objective. The Yankees clearly care about winning, but the Steinbrenners clearly care about increasing their wealth.

So finally, this bring me back to the corporate ownership angle. The reality is, for owners like Rogers, the organizational is categorially not to win championships, it’s to make money. If winning a championship makes more money, great. But at the end of the day, for Rogers’, the financial component dominates. So, while the analysis I did was not specifically focussed on the implications for the Jays, I think it certainly must inform our understanding of how the Jays are likely to approach big free agent deals.

Sorry if this is too long, but I’m certainly enjoying the discussion and thinking about how to analyze baseball.

by MjwW on Jan 10, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think these two statements are very instructive as to the nature of our fundamental disagreement. I disagree that there is one singular goal for a baseball franchise at the MLB level as you identify, as it ignores the reality that they operate as businesses.

No, it doesn’t. What it does say is that success as a club is not measured by the traditional models that success as a business is measured, and the value of a club is often related to its on-field and playoff success. Even the big market teams are prey to shifting trends, and when a team like the Blue Jays remains uncompetitive for a sustained period, it has a much stronger effect on their bottom line than an unprofitable season. Plus, playoffs are a fractional boost in terms of financial value to the club, but are valued as a significant achievement by their consumers. You haven’t suggested how that should be valued out, and I’d be more inclined to suggest that your approach undervalues or ignores the achievement of a playoff appearance because an objective value is far harder to determine in either the financial short term or the long term.

If I had to say that one was more important than the other, I’d go with the financial side, because quite frankly, most owners will not try to win at the expense of big short-term losses . That said, you do see some owners who want to win championships, and in the long-run championship teams increase revenues, so I see them as more or less equal. But to conclude that a MLB organization has failed if it doesn’t win a championship is a false premise. From the fan’s view, perhaps, but certainly not for the organization, especially when the ownership is corporate (I’ll return to this below).

I should point out that you’re skewing the argument here. The Yankees aren’t suffering short term losses to win now. They may be overpaying for talent against the market, but in doing so, they successfully compete on a sustained basis while maintaining profitability as a business. They could make more money if they were more diligent and efficient in their acquisition strategy, but it isn’t making them unprofitable in the method they are competing with.

And again, here’s where the business parallel breaks down with baseball, because the value of the brand, so to speak, is normally based on its relative success. The Blue Jays, following 18 straight years of not reaching the playoffs have gone from one of the most valuable franchises in baseball to one of the middle to least valuable franchises. There has been a sustained loss in relative value that is directly related to the on-field performance. The most financial efficient club will not be able to grow their value without a measure of success as determined by the consumer. I think we can say safely, at this point, that the Toronto Blue Jays market in general views anything less than a playoff berth as a failure, and that continued growth is unlikely to come without a stronger measure of competitive success.

My problem is, your approach stops here, and I don’t think that’s a complete or sufficient analysis because it ignores the corporate organizational objective. We have to ask, does it actually make sense to give yourself the increased shot at the playoff? In other words, does the added revenue justify the added costs. This is what my analysis is trying to do, though it does it indirectly, because we don’t know the Marginal Revenue Product of individual contracts (you’ll recall this from our previous discussion). But fundamentally, you have to a financial cost/benefit analysis, because putting a better team on the field won’t necessarily increase revenues.

Again, a strict year by year ROI is the wrong way to assess it, I feel. I’ve certainly seen Silver’s graph on the relative value of wins, but I think it ignores the fact that there is a very concrete measure of success in a team by their customers, and that’s a playoff berth. The Jays have sat in the mid-80s in wins with a relatively efficient $/WAR as a team for over a decade, and has eroded their value significantly. So from a corporate organizational objective, responding to what their market values is exactly what they should be doing to maximize value if contention is that dominant deliverable.

My approach is the same as it was from the start, which is that every contract needs to be looked at in relative terms to the market value against the production, to the market realities in the point that it was offered, to its relative status as part of the team’s payroll, and to the additional factors of value that may or may not be informed in the decision. I’m not looking for a clean, universally applied statistical model because I don’t think it exists, as the base concept of ‘value’ is not objectively determinable across baseball. When you’re assessing a contract, you have to look at the way that ownership values the contract and their structure and position.

So, for me, at the end of the day, to analze a contract. we have to balance the baseball objective, and the financial objective. I would submit that even if the A-Rod contract passes a baseball test, it fails the financial objective, because the Yankees will only get 50% of the cost back in terms of performance (and therefore as revenue, using the $/WAR proxy), it’s a financial failure. That means, for me, it’s somewhat ambiguous – it’s neither necessarily good, nor necessarily bad. then we’d have to look at how the particularl team stresses each objective. The Yankees clearly care about winning, but the Steinbrenners clearly care about increasing their wealth.

The Steinbrenners clearly care about increasing their wealth, and they understand that a Yankee’s team that is a perennial contender is a big part in maintaining the massive profits that YES generates. They also want to protect their brand and know that the more luster they can gob on it, the overall value of the organization increases. So they aren’t just paying for A-Rod’s production. They’re paying for his 700HR in Yankee pinstripes. They’re playing for a 40+ to be chasing Bonds record. Just like they’re paying for Jeter to retire as a Yankee. These things make plenty of business sense for the Yankees as a business, even if their ROI has to be measured by decades.

So I find your assessment of the financial objective flawed because it only measures value against the market for the duration of the contract. A few of these big agent signings have a much longer impact and generate revenue long after the contract has ended, which again, is almost impossible to apply an objective measure to.

So finally, this bring me back to the corporate ownership angle. The reality is, for owners like Rogers, the organizational is categorially not to win championships, it’s to make money. If winning a championship makes more money, great. But at the end of the day, for Rogers’, the financial component dominates. So, while the analysis I did was not specifically focussed on the implications for the Jays, I think it certainly must inform our understanding of how the Jays are likely to approach big free agent deals.

I think that’s making assumptions about Rogers in a general sense as well. Not all corporations operate under the same model, and the acquisition of the Toronto Blue Jays was not made with the same considerations that a typical business acquisition would be measured. The Jays represent specific content generation for Rogers, and as a result, their bottom-line effect of Rogers business actually takes place outside of the bounds of the baseball organization itself and across the company as a whole. I watch viewership numbers very carefully, because the revenue Rogers generates across their multiple platforms is significant. Since 2007, there’s been a slow growth in the market, and it’s jumped a decent level in the last two years. However, there is a leveling effect that takes place once you’ve maximized a team’s value proposition to the fanbase, and if you want to grow the sector, you need to take steps to push past that value to a new plateau to expand further. That’s playoffs, and I’d imagine that Rogers is particularly keen on the Jays making the playoffs because that translates into growth and increased revenue from all of their business lines.

So, I’ll disagree with you on your financial conclusion with Rogers. The goal of Rogers ownership of the team is to make money, yes, but it’s also to maximize the growth of the market sector to the largest potential possible. Which is exactly why corporations like Rogers will sustain unprofitable regions and business segments for a time because they feel the long term growth significantly outweighs the short term loss. I don’t think Rogers is going to become the Steinbrenners, but Rogers has very clearly seen the financial effects of maintaining a non-competitive team in this market, which is the long term erosion of value in the market.

by dexfarkin on Jan 10, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Again, somewhat belated response

Sorry for that, but this deserved a substantive response and I’ve been spending a ton of time on the pitching post that went up today. Anyway…

Even the big market teams are prey to shifting trends, and when a team like the Blue Jays remains uncompetitive for a sustained period, it has a much stronger effect on their bottom line than an unprofitable season

When I’m talking about financial performance, I’m not just talking about single season profit, I’m also including increasing/decreasing franchise value (which should essentially the reflect the present value of future increased profitability due to making investments or making playoffs, etc). For example, the Rangers’ franchise value increased 25% (Forbes estimates) and the Giants 16% in 2011, partially on the backs of being World Series teams, due to increased interest and future revenues associated with this. So I’d say, the value of being a competitive, playoff team would be fairly reflects through this

I should point out that you’re skewing the argument here. The Yankees aren’t suffering short term losses to win now.

Right, imprecise language on my part. The idea is, even if it’s still a profit, it’s a lower profit than what they could otherwise have. That said, again, when I’m talking about financial performance, it would include the value of brand maintainance/enhancement through increased franchise value.

They could make more money if they were more diligent and efficient in their acquisition strategy, but it isn’t making them unprofitable in the method they are competing with.

Sure, but the point of running a business isn’t to make a profit, it’s to maximize your profit – in order words, generate the maximum output with a given amount of inputs. Now, perhaps spending more in the short run (and having a lower operating profit in a given year) will pay off in terms of increased franchise value above the foregone operating profit, which I would still consider finanical value maximization. I certainly don’t preclude the possibility.

The Jays have sat in the mid-80s in wins with a relatively efficient $/WAR as a team for over a decade, and has eroded their value significantly.

This is just incorrect. Using Forbes’ estimate of franchise values, the Jays have gone from $162M in 2000 (when Rogers’ bought them) to $337M last year, an increase of 6.8% per year, whereas the average for MLB was $233M to $523M, an increase of 7.6%. So, in both absolute and relative terms, value has not been eroded. I’ll grant you that the value of the market hasn’t been fully capitalized upon, not by a long shot, but that’s different from having value destroyed. And of course, there was a huge drop from WS years to the time Rogers brought the team, which I’d argue had to do initially with the strike, change of ownership, and poorer on-field performance. In the late-90s, it had to do with mediocre on-field performance and bloated payroll, falling $CAD, and growing payroll inequality in baseball.

®esponding to what their market values is exactly what they should be doing to maximize value if contention is that dominant deliverable.

In theory, sure. In practice, only if contention is not cost prohibitive. The customers of any business will always want something more – better service, lower prices, higher quality product. The business cannot possibly do all of this, they have to find the balance that best maximizes profit. I believe that making the playoffs would bring in more revenue, but if you just went out with this goal and signed big FAs and upped the payroll to $150M I’m not sure the Jays come out ahead financially.

They also want to protect their brand and know that the more luster they can gob on it, the overall value of the organization increases.

Sure, of course, no argument from me. The question is, do having all these premium free agent in the decline phase of their careers help that, beyond the contribution they make to adding more pennants, which is really what the Yankee brand is about. The Dodgers and Giants have pretty illustrious brands too, but I don’t think you’d argue that poor premium contracts like Jason Schmidt or Barry Zito did anything for those brands, and the Giants even won a World Series with Zito. I can buy it in regards to someone like Jeter, a career Yankee, but I don’t know that I buy it for guys like A-Rod, Teixeria, etc.

So I find your assessment of the financial objective flawed because it only measures value against the market for the duration of the contract. A few of these big agent signings have a much longer impact and generate revenue long after the contract has ended, which again, is almost impossible to apply an objective measure to.

A couple points here. First, it’s not just measuring value for the duration of the contract. It’s using the $/WAR as a proxy for the marginal revenue product, which would include revenue beyond the contract. Perfect? Absolutely not. A good place to start? I think so, though I understand we’re not going to agree here. Second, in regards to these contracts having an impact and generating revenue beyond the contracts, I don’t really buy it, beyond some contribution to brand value. And even then, with the exception of truly iconic homegrown franchise players like Jeter, George Brett, etc, the brand value is more tied to winning than to individual players. The Jays had excellent brand value in the late 80s, early 1990s, it atrophied due to a slip to mediocrity, not because certain excellent players came and went.

The Jays represent specific content generation for Rogers, and as a result, their bottom-line effect of Rogers business actually takes place outside of the bounds of the baseball organization itself and across the company as a whole.

Yes, but the value of that content can be fairly easily measured (how much revenue do the media rights generate) and internally they would be accounted for as baseball related revenues. The point is, at the end of the day, the any Rogers’ decision on the Jays will come down to costs and benefits (including anticipated long-term costs and benefits), and moves will only be made if the perceived benefits exceed the perceived costs. Indeed, legally it’s the only way they can operate.

[T]here is a leveling effect that takes place once you’ve maximized a team’s value proposition…I’d imagine that Rogers is particularly keen on the Jays making the playoffs because that translates into growth and increased revenue from all of their business lines

Of course they’d like the additional revenues, but again, the important caveat here is, only if it exceeds the costs of getting to the playoffs. That said, I’ve consistently maintained that the best way for Rogers’ to make more money and increase the franchise value is to win, but they have to win smart.

The goal of Rogers ownership of the team is to make money, yes, but it’s also to maximize the growth of the market sector to the largest potential possible.

Maximize growth of the market sector to the largst potential to what end? Of course, to maximize its financial value to the corporation, in the long-run. And even then, I disagree with the premise, because the goal is to grow the market to the level coducive with maximizing value…adding fans is not a means to an end, only if those fans add revenues.

by MjwW on Jan 14, 2012 3:16 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Right, imprecise language on my part. The idea is, even if it’s still a profit, it’s a lower profit than what they could otherwise have. That said, again, when I’m talking about financial performance, it would include the value of brand maintenance/enhancement through increased franchise value.

I would imagine that the Yankees are looking at around the peak of their overall market penetration. If you’re the kind of fan that only comes out when a team is in the playoffs, they’ve already got you. So I’d say maintaining the market control that they have is likely the number one priority ahead of maximizing single season profit.

Sure, but the point of running a business isn’t to make a profit, it’s to maximize your profit – in order words, generate the maximum output with a given amount of inputs. Now, perhaps spending more in the short run (and having a lower operating profit in a given year) will pay off in terms of increased franchise value above the foregone operating profit, which I would still consider finanical value maximization. I certainly don’t preclude the possibility.

The Steinbrunners aren’t running a business. They’re running an immensely profitable baseball team. Two different things, and if the Yankees have shown us anything, it’s that how the owner assesses value is the main factor for the team. To take it all the way back, I’d say that’s why it’s so difficult for the Yankees to sign a contract that can be deemed bad solely for financial reasons, because they don’t place the same value on the dollar as other teams do.

In theory, sure. In practice, only if contention is not cost prohibitive. The customers of any business will always want something more – better service, lower prices, higher quality product. The business cannot possibly do all of this, they have to find the balance that best maximizes profit. I believe that making the playoffs would bring in more revenue, but if you just went out with this goal and signed big FAs and upped the payroll to $150M I’m not sure the Jays come out ahead financially.

I think they’ve determined that not making the playoffs creates a definite ceiling in terms of growing the brand across their business lines. Eventually, if they are going to be competitive, there will be increased costs involved. That doesn’t mean adding bad or ill conceived contracts, but I think I disagree with the idea that Rogers business model precludes them going after a big free agent or taking a short term loss if it makes for a strong playoff run. The Canadian market has a ton of upside to grow, and they have historical indicators of where it can get to.

Sure, of course, no argument from me. The question is, do having all these premium free agent in the decline phase of their careers help that, beyond the contribution they make to adding more pennants, which is really what the Yankee brand is about. The Dodgers and Giants have pretty illustrious brands too, but I don’t think you’d argue that poor premium contracts like Jason Schmidt or Barry Zito did anything for those brands, and the Giants even won a World Series with Zito. I can buy it in regards to someone like Jeter, a career Yankee, but I don’t know that I buy it for guys like A-Rod, Teixeria, etc.

I think it goes back to the fact that the Yankees organization obviously values success ahead of dollars. I think they’d happily give up a quarter million bucks for the shot that the all-time HR king is wearing a Yankees cap in the HoF. Teixeria, that’s a different story, But, at the same point, Teixeria is still a good 1B. He’s not what he was and he wasn’t worth his contract, but he’s not a subpar player being rolled out purely because of his contract. If last year was just a bad year and not his new true talent level, he’s not that far off his value – 12WAR for $64M.

A couple points here. First, it’s not just measuring value for the duration of the contract. It’s using the $/WAR as a proxy for the marginal revenue product, which would include revenue beyond the contract. Perfect? Absolutely not. A good place to start? I think so, though I understand we’re not going to agree here. Second, in regards to these contracts having an impact and generating revenue beyond the contracts, I don’t really buy it, beyond some contribution to brand value. And even then, with the exception of truly iconic homegrown franchise players like Jeter, George Brett, etc, the brand value is more tied to winning than to individual players. The Jays had excellent brand value in the late 80s, early 1990s, it atrophied due to a slip to mediocrity, not because certain excellent players came and went.

Well, I’d argue that the slip into mediocrity was in part hastened by an unwillingness to spend money, so if we’re talking about efficiency versus effectiveness, it would seem that valuing effectiveness first and foremost is the best way to maintain your value, and if that’s the case, overspending for a free agent, so long as it doesn’t limit your ability to compete, has more is a reasonable strategy if you’re on the bubble of competition. So maybe the place to start isn’t WAR/$ as a general evaluation, but WAR/$ against a sliding set of values based on the team’s chances to contend for the post season.

Of course they’d like the additional revenues, but again, the important caveat here is, only if it exceeds the costs of getting to the playoffs. That said, I’ve consistently maintained that the best way for Rogers’ to make more money and increase the franchise value is to win, but they have to win smart.

I think we’re getting back to short term and long term here. I think Rogers motivation is based around the potential advanced media market that the Jays represent, both across their business lines and as an individual profit sector. They have a strong idea about what a successful, contending team can generate in terms of viewership, attendance and engagement. From that, they can extrapolate how the other business lines could be impacted as well, with an engaged fanbase at those levels.

It’s a staggering amount of money. Like, potentially YES money in terms of return for Rogers across their business lines. So when you have that kind of potential market available, I think the short terms is when you’re talking about profitably over a few years, and long term is over the decade. So I don’t think the Jays need to win smart as much as they need to build smart. And by building smart, they can add those eventually overvalued contracts because it puts them over the line into competitive September baseball, without sacrificing the long term competitive ability of the club. Which takes us all the way back to the idea of how to judge a good and bad contract.

Maximize growth of the market sector to the largst potential to what end? Of course, to maximize its financial value to the corporation, in the long-run. And even then, I disagree with the premise, because the goal is to grow the market to the level coducive with maximizing value…adding fans is not a means to an end, only if those fans add revenues.

Rogers is a media company; adding fans is increasing your market share, and increasing your market share adds revenue. Unless you’re adding fans who never watch a game on television, listen to it on the radio, follow it on the internet, or go and see a game. Which I’d have to say would be an anomoly. So I think you’re off on that premise from the very start.

Then you have the multiple business lines that feed into Rogers which link into the content generated. And you have a very solid idea of what kind of market a successful Jays team can generate, which is significantly higher than it is now. That 89-93 market had to have been a big factor to Rogers buying the team, more so now with their huge success in the wireless, mobile phone and cable markets in the last decade.

by dexfarkin on Jan 16, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

A couple quick thoughts

SInce I think we’ve sufficiently probed the differences, and this is about to disappear off the frontpage radar immently anyway (but, I’m going to work through a more comprehensive list in the next couple days hopefully, so we can always resume there!).

The Steinbrunners aren’t running a business. They’re running an immensely profitable baseball team. Two different things, and if the Yankees have shown us anything, it’s that how the owner assesses value is the main factor for the team.

I just disagree with this – in my view, MLB today is a business, first and foremost, and the baseball is a product that is a means to the end of profits. I would submit all the Yankees have shown us is the power of their market (more below).

They have a strong idea about what a successful, contending team can generate in terms of viewership, attendance and engagement…It’s a staggering amount of money. Like, potentially YES money in terms of return for Rogers across their business lines.

I almost completely agree, and that’s why I’m so bullish on the future of the Jays – there’s a huge market opportunity, ad the media integration makes it more compelling for the owners. My minor disagreement is that’s it’s not quite on the same order of magnitude, but that’s largely beside the point. And then there’s the amrket itself, which I see somewhat less bullishly, and it ties in with the point below.

So I don’t think the Jays need to win smart as much as they need to build smart. And by building smart, they can add those eventually overvalued contracts because it puts them over the line into competitive September baseball, without sacrificing the long term competitive ability of the club.
The Canadian market has a ton of upside to grow, and they have historical indicators of where it can get to.

I think that’s an interesting distinction, but I don’t entirely agree. It’s certainly important to build smart, to start the virtuous cycle. And if thinks work out, they’ll certainly be able to add some overvalued contracts, and it won’t be as hard to swallow. But I disagree that it won’t affect the long-term competitive ability if they don’t continue to “win smart”. The Yankees have shown the ability to keep dishing out bad contracts, without too much worry about one day falling off the cliff into a cycle where you have to sell-off. I’d argue though, that that’s a unique circumstance, due to their history/brand longevity, and market (particularly the corporate money available to them). Even in the 70s and 80s when they had some dry periods, they were near the top in spending. Toronto is much more fickle when it comes to sports (hockey excluded – I see the Leafs and Yankees as very similar actually) and lacks that long history to prop up dry spells. In many ways, it’s like the Phillies. They are in the midst of a great period, they build a homegrown core, built around them, ncreased payroll and brought in expensive free agents…but there’s a limit. So far things have worked out, but eventually these contracts will catch up to them. And there will be a deleveraging cycle, just like after their WS years, when they went through a long cycle in the wilderness. I other words, they lack the Yankees staying power. Now, I would happily trade what the Phillies have had for the past 5 years for what is going to come to them, eventually (a rebuilding cycle), but eventually the chickens come home to roost…for everyone but the Yankees, that it. So I agree the market has a ton of room to grow, but I’d argue the market’s potential is well short of similarly large market where there is a much longer tradition that helps prop up revenues even in long dry stretches (think the Cubs). Maybe in another 25 years, it will be different and we’ll be on par that way, but for now I think the sustainable market level is well short of the big, big boys like New York, Chicago, LA. Therefore, it’s still imperative to “win smart”, or at least smarter

Rogers is a media company; adding fans is increasing your market share, and increasing your market share adds revenue.

Sure, no disagreement there. I took a shortcut, and should have spelled out my case completely: “adding fans is not a means to an end, only if those fans add revenues in excess of the addition costs” You have to look both sides, revenue side, and expenses, and you aim to maximize profits at the point where marginal revenue = marginal costs. You don;t add market share for the sake of adding marke share, you add market sahre if it is conducive with higher profits (and it often is in business, usually due to economies of scale, scope, etc).

by MjwW on Jan 16, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Just coming back to the A-Rod contract

Using the two-part baseball test of a contract, I’m not sure the A-Rod contract actually meets it, and want to expand. I didn’t want to confuse this specificity with the above general points, so it’s a seperate response.

You can argue that they might have been able to make it without A-Rod… but you can’t argue the point that they did make it with A-Rod.

But that’s the critical point in my view. If the Athletics could afford Prince Fielder, would adding him increase their chance of making the playoffs? Very little, because they’re so far away. You have to think on the margin, and can’t use an after the fact justification.

Second, we don’t really know how much the Yankees can or cannot afford. It’s quite possible that having A-Rod’s dead money contract on the books is preventing them from signing other free agents, and it’s quite possible that it’s havign no impact. All we ca do is try to make inferences from their behaviour, and what we see is the following in terms of Yankees seasoning opening payroll from Cot’s:
■2011: $207,047,964
■2010: $213,359,389
■2009: $201,449,189
■2008: $209,081,577
■2007: $189,639,045
■2006: $194,663,079
■2005: $208,306,817
So I think one could reasonably infer that the Yankees did a rough limit back in 2007/08 when they made that bad contract, and that the A-Rod dead money is actually quite damaging in terms of allowing them to spend elsewhere.

More broadly, as I said above, I think in practical terms it is difficult to apply the test, at least in terms of how I think you’d have to approach it to make the analysis meaningful. I recognize you approached it a little differently, and said that it’s only 15%, so it’s not as big a deal as it would be for other teams.

by MjwW on Jan 10, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But that’s the critical point in my view. If the Athletics could afford Prince Fielder, would adding him increase their chance of making the playoffs? Very little, because they’re so far away. You have to think on the margin, and can’t use an after the fact justification.

Okay, so let’s look at specifics. My position is the following; A-Rod’s contract, massive and overpaid as it might be, can’t be considered a bad contract because of the following factors. The Yankees were paying top dollar to retain an elite player in a position in which they had no incumbent prospect in the system, had no acceptable cheaper free agent option, had no configuration of upgrades across the rest of the diamond to balance the loss, and valued their top trade pieces as more valuable than the financial cost of retaining him to trade for a quality 3B replacement. A-Rod’s value to the organization was also considered past just his on-field production, as the contract will in all likelihood carry him into retirement.

While I do consider Hal Steinbrenner to be genuinely dim, I still have troubling believing that the Yankees looked at that contract as said ‘yes, we feel we will absolutely get market value from his on-field production from this’. I think they paid a premium because the value of retaining A-Rod until the end of his career, especially at the time and with the options available, seemed like the best option. What’s the dollar value of the likely all-time HR champ being in a Yankee uniform in the HoF? To them, it was clearly worth the difference between his production and the value of his contract.

More broadly, as I said above, I think in practical terms it is difficult to apply the test, at least in terms of how I think you’d have to approach it to make the analysis meaningful. I recognize you approached it a little differently, and said that it’s only 15%, so it’s not as big a deal as it would be for other teams.

To be fair, it’s not the only way I approached it, but in the broadest terms, I think the more money that a team has available in their budget, the less importance that $/WAR has in making a contract a bad contract, because the margin for error is so much greater. If the Yankees have a self-imposed financial limit, then yes, their team pattern of overspending for WAR is going to hurt them, but until it translates into them being unable to consistently compete, I don’t think you can infer anything about their financial flexibility.

by dexfarkin on Jan 10, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Great argument guys

I just returned from vacation so I’m jumping into this thread rather late and maybe I’ll be the only one reading my comment. This is a great argument MjwW and dexfarkin and I think you’ve both made some interesting points. I confess my eyes glazed over after a while though. Also, this is a geat post. Even for those who disagree with it, you have to admit it is a great post. There is some great research here that I’ve always wanted to do, but I could never bother to do myself. There is a point that I don’t think has been made by anyone on this thread that I think is valid – and tha is that bad contracts in good situations still have a negative impact at some point. Take the Yankees for example. Even they are affected by overspending. While I agree that 1. it got them the players they wanted and needed to make several championship runs and 2. they can afford to absorb the contracts at the back end, it would be false to say that there is no negative repercussions. For 2 years running, the Yankees starting rotation has been in need of an upgrade but they have had to sit on the sidelines while other teams scoop up the decent number 2 or 3 starters that are available. Instead the Yankees have had to wait to see if they can get lucky on the castoffs that are usually available cheaply in January and February. Secondly, when the Yankees signed Texiera he was an elite 1B. He was amongst the top 3 or 4 at his position in MLB. Now, I would be hesitant to include him in the top 10. 2 of the best hitters in MLB (who happen to be 1B) were available this offseason and the Yankees have not gotten involved at all. Why? They have an albatross at 1B. And it will get worse for them. While it’s true that Texiera and A-Rod are still good players, its also likely true that they are in decline. They both have several years left on their contracts and at some point the Yankees could be paying $45M – $50M a year for 2 replacement level players. Their choice will be to take a pass on better players that become available (meaning that they will likely get below average offensive output from the 1B and DH positions) or take a major hit on eating these contracts (along with the accompanying luxury tax hit).

To every complex problem, there is an answer that is simple, easy to understand and wrong

by TO Steve on Jan 13, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

For 2 years running, the Yankees starting rotation has been in need of an upgrade but they have had to sit on the sidelines while other teams scoop up the decent number 2 or 3 starters that are available

That’s an assumption. They had no problem coming up with the money to re-up Sabathia. Until the Yankees flat out say that they’re at the top of their payroll and have no financial flexibility, you can’t assume they are. After all, they did make expensive acquisitions in Soriano and Jeter’s new contract, so money was clearly there/

by dexfarkin on Jan 13, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Certainly the money was there last year

And, to Cashman’s credit, so was the starting rotation too. Sure, collectively, they weren’t great, but with the Yankee offense, they don’t need to be. Competency was sufficient.

This year, the Yankees have not signed any free agent of any note whatsoever. Combine that with some statements about wanting to get under the luxury tax ceiling, and I think there’s a case for the Yankees having a self-imposed payroll maximum and therefore no financial flexibility. I do think the luxury tax for now has sufficient teeth to at least make toe the line for now.

However, the Steinbrenners are the Steinbrenners and they could suddenly turn around and sign a bunch of players, eat contracts and just pay the tax penalties if the spirit moves them. They have the resources to do so.

by siggian on Jan 13, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there’s certainly the possibility that the Yankees have self- imposed a cap, but really, over the last fifteen years, when they’ve wanted a player, that have made the cash available to go after them. That may not be the case now, but until they say one way or another, I think you have to judge them based on their history.

As for this year, it doesn’t really surprise me they haven’t made a move. The cream of the pitcher crop was CJ Wilson who is, well, kinda alright? Cashman has the offense to really give one of his rookie starters a long look in the rotation without risking a playoff berth. But if they’re floundering by the All-Star break, you’ll see a Cole Hamels or a Tim Hudson in pinstripes.

by dexfarkin on Jan 13, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It depends what you mean by self-imposed cap

Every team’s limit is somewhat self-imposed, since they could choose to spend more if they wanted to, at the risk of losing money (or making less money). Especially when you conisder that baseball is a monopsony – in order words, payroll is generally set to maximize ownership profits, or at least what the owners perceive will do so. This may mea operating losses to increase franchise value, for example.

As I showed above, the Yankees payroll has not increased in th last 6 years. TO a certain extent, they always have cash, because they always have cash coming off the books! But they haven’t raised payroll. I think the recent history is that there is a rough limit, especially with the luxury tax increasing the cost to Yankees making the playoffs.

by MjwW on Jan 14, 2012 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Just to be clear

What I am arguing is that the Yankees have found the payroll range that maximizes short term operating profits with the excellence required to keep up the franchise value. In other words, spending more makes no sense in terms of the added wins, and spending less you generate too much uncertainty about making the playoffs which could hurt franchise value.

That said, within this general range, circumstances can lead to deviations. All things equal, spending money more efficiently means having to spend less money to get the same on-field wins. By the same measure, if they have several players singed to long-term contracts decline more rapidly, they may choose to raise payroll and absorb the losses. From the outside, however, we really don’t know.

And I think they face a large risk of a vicious type of cycle. Considering how well they have done the last 20 years maximizing revenue streams, there really isn’t anymore upside. If they missed th plaoffs for a couple years, they could find themselves in a Mets type situation, with a huge payroll, poor performance, and really not able to go out and buy more players to solve the problem. Indeed, they were almost there I believe in the mid-2000s. Fingers crossed for the future.

by MjwW on Jan 14, 2012 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

how to measure best alternative use of $$

If a club has a “value loss” that implies to me they could get same results more economically.
Average contracts are calculated based on most players being somewhat “controlled”, correct ?
The obvious alternative is to trade away some value to add such players. (e.g. to get a chance to extend Votto)
I wonder if on average that value given away ends up above or below 20/25%
That must have been the recent thought process on Yu too (hey U2 – is that a new one)
Thanks for the work.

by Raffa on Jan 4, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Guys but what about Wells! ^ ;)

No seriously this was a great fanpost, one of the best by far.

Thanks for all that work MjwW :D

EVERYBODY BETTER REC’ THIS AMAZINGNESS.

by Mike Andrew on Jan 2, 2012 10:31 PM EST reply actions  

nice job MjwW

my only complaint is that I don’t know how to pronounce your username

by benk on Jan 2, 2012 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

Haha

Well, that’s what happen when you lack creativity and just toss in initials instead. Don’t think I can offer any help on a suggested pronounciation either…so, use your imagination?

by MjwW on Jan 3, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

wow

In all seriousness..it’s posts like these that give the whole blogging community credibility. I’m very impressed with the commitment to the subject matter. And I’m not just some guy…. So….Thank You for taking the time to research and provide information that I find to be of great interest. Very impressed, thank you, not some guy.

by EasyD on Jan 2, 2012 11:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

If you're not some guy...

Is that you Alex? Tom hoped you might be in here somewhere… :-)

by LimeyJaysFan on Jan 3, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I like math

herpdy derp

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 3, 2012 1:06 AM EST reply actions  

I wouldn't mind auditing some of it :P

Or in other words, I wouldn’t mind getting a look at the excel and having some fun with numbers. I’m interested to try and see which players deserved it, and which didn’t. And what kind of production it took to warrant a 100+MM contract in the first place to see if theres any predictive value.

@VagabondBansal

by Vagabond13 on Jan 3, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah what program did you use?

Looks a bit like SPSS but I imagine stats programs aren’t huge into dressing up their programs in unique/flashy ways.

by T_Mizz on Jan 3, 2012 12:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Excel

I’m way too unsophisticated to use SPSS and the like.

by MjwW on Jan 3, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I can post the file

If there’s inerest in it…though the caveat would be, since I hadn’t planned on it, I haven’t “scrubbed” it so the inf is organized clearly to an outside user, and there may be some difficulty following what I’m doing.

by MjwW on Jan 3, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

One contract skews the numbers

I bet the Angels wish they had you in their front office before trading for Wells. Might that qualify as the worst contract ever?

Man who has four balls cannot walk

by Beer Leaguer on Jan 3, 2012 2:01 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Depends what you mean by skew, really

Whenever you have a relatively small data set, removing of the extreme data points (by this I mean simply furthest from the middle) will change the numbers.

If we take out Wells, we get 4% average loss
If we take out Bonds (the opposite, the most successful), we get 11% average loss
If we take out both, essentially a trimmed average, we get the same 7% average loss

I’d argue that’s actually quite robust. As for worst contract ever…maybe, but A-Rod will certainly it a run of the money in all likelihood.

by MjwW on Jan 3, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Fascinating

I will send a link to this any time someone insists that the Jays simply must drive a dump truck full of money to Prince Fielder’s home and unload it on his front lawn while Scott Boras cackles with delight.

One question though: was the decision to keep pitchers separate from hitters made for the sake of expediency or for some methodological issue that I’m not getting with my limited stats knowledge? Seems to me they ostensibly enter the same market environment and could therefore be put in the same sample. Although, I could see how a pitchers vs. hitters comparison could be interesting to see if one group gives better or worse return on investment than the other (if Zito and Hampton are included I would lean towards pitchers being a worse bargain historically as a hypothesis).

by icemanDan on Jan 3, 2012 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

Originally, I was just looking to build on what SuckaMD did, and he was looking at position players only, so I was building from there. That said, I thought about adding pitchers but decided to keep them seperately for a few reasons.

First, pitchers face a much higher risk of catastrophic injury (blowing out arms, shoulders, etc) that position players don’t generally face. Second, the aging patterns are different, with pitchers peaking a little earlier (though the injury thing plays in here too). These factors together, for me, make for a different market dymanic that should be investigated separately.

That said, those factors should be factoring in by a relatively efficient market – less money, shorter contracts. And we generally see that for pitchers – less guaranteed years, lower max annual values. So maybe they should be analyzed together. My plan is to do the pitchers, see the patterns, and then see whether the analysis should be combined

by MjwW on Jan 3, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Good points

I look forward to the final results. This was more interesting than anything on Fangraphs this past week, by the way.

by icemanDan on Jan 3, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So....

are we still signing Prince Fielder?

by eight_legged_freaks on Jan 5, 2012 12:31 AM EST reply actions  

Yes, but for only five years.

Are you reading this, Boras? We are not getting sucked in.

by Defense Counts! on Jan 6, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahh!

Came across a couple of major omissions.

Free agents – Mo Vaughn
Extensions – Shawn Green (duh!)

by MjwW on Jan 5, 2012 3:45 AM EST reply actions  

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