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No, I'm serious

who is he

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 25, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the email address answers what I needed to know.

It’s unpossible to use the words intelligent and thought to describe anything written in the Sun.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 25, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So basically the Sun's Damien Cox

Jack of all sports, butcher of all. Write stupid garbage to get page views

by MjwW on Jan 25, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you are referring to this poor excuse of a human being

"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr

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by Frag on Jan 25, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Just read the comments...

Everyone (so far) has agreed with the article completely. Hope it’s not an indication of what the rest of the Blue Jays fanbase thinks…

Follow me @Minor_Leaguer

by Minor Leaguer on Jan 25, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he made accounts

i can’t believe it, i won’t !!

+1 is only good if you actually rec the post

by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 25, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That had to be the dumbest article I've read in a long time.

Signing a guy that will be DH in a couple of years and whose numbers will be on the decline soon to a $200 + contract. It’s not the 90’s anymore, players aren’t going to be improving as they age now.

I blog, therefore I am.

by Tom Dakers on Jan 25, 2012 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

What happened in the 90s to help with that?

Follow me @Minor_Leaguer

by Minor Leaguer on Jan 25, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Caterpillar Fungus!

According to the now disgraced Chinese Olympic Female Swim Team coaches who were caught using some old fashioned East German “medicine.”

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 25, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 25, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll rec that because I thought of actually doing the blockquotes' things

and you spared me the effort.

And beacause you risked severe brain damage by reading through all of it…

"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)

by HESS2479 on Jan 26, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you mind if i copy and paste this

and send it to him in an email =D

+1 is only good if you actually rec the post

by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 25, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol

If you want, fine by me. I didn’t proofread so there’s a bunch of little typos that should be editted. It’s also not completely cogent, but then again, neither was the article so it’s on Buzzard’s level

by MjwW on Jan 25, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny stuff… you spelled edited wrong ;)

#greattiming

Here's my attempt at a witty sig. Didn't really go so well, methinks.

Wise men wonder, while strong men die.

by Cam Oegema on Jan 26, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

in more relevant news

BP’s Jays prospect rankings supposedly out tomorrow. cool beans.

Also, MLB.com ranking at 10PM? I think?

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 25, 2012 8:52 PM EST reply actions  

What a joke

Sounds like a child arguing with their parents, “YOU ARE THE WORST MOM EVER!”

Most of the people who believe in this “Rogers is at fault” thing are generally the unintelligent part (not all but most) of the fanbase (which is the majority). Detroit and the Angels are both completely out of the playoff race starting within 3 years. (Time to find out how old Pujols really is).

by Mike Andrew on Jan 25, 2012 9:22 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Sounds like a child arguing with their parents, "YOU ARE THE WORST MOM EVER!"

I like this comparison, strikes me as quite apt actually.

Detroit and the Angels are both completely out of the playoff race starting within 3 years.

That’s a little over the top, the Angels have a huge budget which goes a long way and Detroit plays in the Central, which is a huge advantage

by MjwW on Jan 25, 2012 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe your right with the Angels

But I still think Fielder is going to accumulate maybe 15 WAR in his 9 year deal (tops). They can’t afford massive payroll and Fielder is going to weigh them down. Serious contenders for this year anyways, we will have to see.

by Mike Andrew on Jan 25, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, that seems awfully low

I don’t think he has much chance to put up more than, say, 25 WAR… but even with the weight issue, he’s a legitimately elite player and he’s only 27.

that said, no chance in hell he comes close to earning that contract

by benk on Jan 25, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

actually

if Detroit is dumb enough to let him play 1B for 9 years, then I’d actually lean closer to your estimate than to 25 WAR. he’s going to lose a crazy amount of value from defense

by benk on Jan 25, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Well they have to play him there for a while anyways.

Fangraphs did that thing on how he will age, and he is essentially the same age as Pujols in non-fat-people years.

I think Fielder might be the worst FA signing of the decade. Does anybody think Pujols might be significantly older than his listed age? Apparently there have been questions about his age so I’d believe it if hes currently 35.

by Mike Andrew on Jan 25, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He could be

But you don’t have any evidence to support that, at all. I mean, to me, it’s the same thing as asking if Bautista’s on steroids. Completely unfair

But you've got to ask the question, right?

by MjwW on Jan 25, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends

We don’t know how well he will or would adapt to DHing. Some guys do better than others when they’re removed from the game and are eseentially pinch hitting 4 or 5 times a game. We can talk about aggregate factors, but the effect is quite individualized.

by MjwW on Jan 25, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, sure

but the best guess we have is the aggregation. assuming he’s 5 runs worse that WAR uses, he’s likely to be 3-5 wins (my estimation) worse at 1B than DH

by benk on Jan 25, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Injuries too

Fielder has been remarkably durable for years. There’s an element of luck in that. I’d say it’s very unlikely he continues that streak for the entire contract. In fact, I wouldn’t bet against him going on the DL sometime in the next 3 years, which would also dampen his value.

by siggian on Jan 25, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

You can never project a player – any player – at more than about 150 games ahead of time.

by MjwW on Jan 25, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

even super durable players get freak injuries all the time

by benk on Jan 25, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Except Lawrie

He just fakes injuries so he has a little extra time to fight crime and injustice in the dark streets of Toronto.

by PaulverizeAll! on Jan 26, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol I wish it was the case

but I remember there being stories about how he is such a handsy hitter that he will get a lot of break injuries from hands.

by Mike Andrew on Jan 26, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

If these reporters want something with traction

they need to start questioning what the TV rights are worth, Rogers deflects any payroll questions with attendance being the excuse. Canada’s a big TV market for one team to have, Roger’s would have to pay a fortune for the rights at market value, and on top of that they pocket all of the revenue generated by that content.

by ABsteve on Jan 25, 2012 9:38 PM EST reply actions  

No way Rogers are the worst owners

I’d say Interbrew were worse. Probably the first ownership group of the Raptors too. The Argos have had some pretty bad sets of owners over the years. You could argue that MLSE has been bad too (incompetence rather than cheapness).

by siggian on Jan 25, 2012 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

Harold Friggin’ Ballard.

/shudders

Here's my attempt at a witty sig. Didn't really go so well, methinks.

Wise men wonder, while strong men die.

by Cam Oegema on Jan 26, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

But the article starts off by saying that Rogers are the worst Toronto sports team owners ever and then immediately state, well, that Ballard was worse but Buffoon won’t count him.

I thought I would play along and not count Ballard too, because he is easily the worst ever Toronto sports team owner. I think I managed to name several owners who are/were worse owners.

by siggian on Jan 26, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

But the article also states that Ballard likes winning, unlike Rogers.

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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 26, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Rogers would absolutely hate the extra revenue and profits generated by a winning team

by Playoffs!!!!1 on Jan 26, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yup

it’s always better to do the wrong thing (i.e. lose a lot) for the right reason ("an insatiable appetite for winning) like Ballard did than to do the right thing (consistent winning – - which we hope/think the Jays are doing) for the wrong reason (CORPORATE PROFTIZ booo!) like AA/Rogers.

by SuckaMD on Jan 26, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Just noticed the video at the top of his article

Mentions missing out on Gio and Latos on top of Fielder and Darvish —____

by yellowalman on Jan 25, 2012 10:12 PM EST reply actions  

wow, Jeff Francis on a minor league deal?

Would’ve loved that. welp.

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 25, 2012 10:30 PM EST reply actions  

meh

he’s not really better than Cecil, Drabek, McGowan will probably be out of ST and McGuire/Hutchison towards the end of the season. Getting Franchise for depth would have been fine, but it’s no big loss that we didn’t.

by SuckaMD on Jan 26, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

he has a better track record

and would’ve netted something good at midseason

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 26, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

if he was good

which is far from a guarantee

by benk on Jan 26, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Sadface

Reading that made me feel depressed.

Can someone write up a hit list ranking the worst Toronto Sports writers from evil to horrible?

by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 25, 2012 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

1. Simmons
1. Cox
1. Whoever this guy is

Here's my attempt at a witty sig. Didn't really go so well, methinks.

Wise men wonder, while strong men die.

by Cam Oegema on Jan 26, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

corrolary question:

which Toronto MSM writers do we like? I don’t read many of the sports pages anymore (spend too much time here, BtB, fangraphs, SBN’s Baseball Nation, etc), so I don’t even know who’s worthwhile.

by SuckaMD on Jan 26, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

John Lott is pretty good

But even then, I’m in the same boat, I don’t read baseball in the MSM. Never did really, even before I got into the advanced metrics and stuff

by MjwW on Jan 26, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Also remember one thing...

Sun “Media” is also a rival of Rogers in various media. It’s not like the Sun would pass up a chance to stick to a rival (even if the rival also owns most of the local sports properties that it has to cover.)

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 25, 2012 10:59 PM EST reply actions  

A letter to the Blue Jays

Dear Alex Anthopolous,

Quickly spend as much money as you can squeeze out of the hands of your owner. It is the best way to earn their trust and more importantly win games.

Yours,
JP Riccardi

CC: Vernon Wells, Alex Rios, BJ Ryan, Frank Thomas, AJ Burnett,

by KennySauce on Jan 25, 2012 11:45 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

hmm

they actually produced something close to the value of their contracts?

by KennySauce on Jan 25, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Burnett did

Rios didn’t, but the degree to which he fell of could not have been reasonably foreseen (at least ffrom the fan POV, maybe the front office had better info). I’d he happy to see a contract like that give out again

by MjwW on Jan 25, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

what were the details of rios’s contract again?

by KennySauce on Jan 25, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

if I recall correctly

5 years/$50 million dollars. a very strong case could be made that in the three years leading up to the deal Rios was the best right fielder in the MLB (and if not the best, certainly top-3 or 4)

by benk on Jan 26, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

wow.

that doesn’t seem like a crazy-stupid deal.

i wonder how AA would have signed him…

by KennySauce on Jan 26, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

it was 7/70, not 5/50

which I didn’t remember. but still, not absolutely crazy for a 26 year old

by benk on Jan 26, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

wait

was that the extension before the 2008~2014 one?

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 26, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup

Rios falling off the cliff was seriously unpredictable

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 25, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

ya, i guess i can see that

what were the details? and do you know how much WAR he put up over the life of the contract?

by KennySauce on Jan 25, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

3.3 WAR since signing the extension

about 14 WAR in the three years leading up to it

by benk on Jan 26, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

homeboy got too comfortable?

is there a way teams can do enough due diligence regarding a players mental makeup in order to forcast how he’ll react to the security of a big deal?

AA always talks about character guys, and by that i think he means (among other things) a guy who really has a hard, intelligent work ethic at his core.

by KennySauce on Jan 26, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

possibly

it could be that he just doesn’t care, now that he’s getting paid.

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 26, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

but that doesn't explain his 2008

which was still very good

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 26, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

ya

i always got that impression about him. when watching him on TV and in person, he just never seemed to run for a fly ball at any rate higher than like 80%. it usually looked like he was cruising. and then occasionally he’d turn it up to 90% or so.

i suppose other people despised him for that as i did

by KennySauce on Jan 26, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I always thought he was just "graceful"

he was really, really fast. and I’m sure the whole 2009 fiasco/hindsight bias doesn’t help people remember Rios as a top player in his peak

by benk on Jan 26, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

true

his good years were stricken from the record, myself included

by KennySauce on Jan 26, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

agreed with benk on this one. Really great outfielders just look like they don’t give a crap (at least, that’s what I hear about Andruw Jones in his prime)

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 26, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

like I remember actually thinking that when he played

even like Ellsbury doesn’t look like he’s trying out there

by benk on Jan 26, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a common complaint

I often hear regarding Beltran. Always looks lazy out there, but he’s actually a great defensive CF.

"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr

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by Frag on Jan 26, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

was

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 26, 2012 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

ya

i guess a lot of people see the “lack of hustle” when a player struggles to get results.

but when they do get results, he’s graceful.

by KennySauce on Jan 26, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I also remember his incident

with some fan or camera guy, where he swore at them. Didn’t seem very pleasant. I always loved the look of his swing, even when I was an especially ignorant baseball fan. But I don’t know, even in his interviews he seemed a bit standoff-ish.

Thinking of Rios always makes me scared of Bautista falling off a cliff.

by PaulverizeAll! on Jan 26, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought that video was really overblown

we talked about it a few times on this site… from what I understand, this is what happened

kid asks for autograph, Rios says no (not exactly a nice thing to do, but not unheard of either)

guy starts heckling him in public

Rios cusses

it’s nothing Bondsian, really

by benk on Jan 26, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Extension runs from 2008 through 2014 (with an option)

As a Jay he was paid ~$4.8M in 2008 and probably the majority of the $6.4M salary in 2009 before the Sox picked him up. rWAR says he produced 0.7 WAR during those ~2 years. fWAR says something in the neighbourhood of 6 WAR.

So by fWAR he was certainly worth the money (for the Jays). By rWAR he cost us 6~7M or something.

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 26, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, because I included 2008

I guess I shouldn’t

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 26, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

or should?

I dunno. I don’t think the extension changed his salary for 2008

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 26, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I Agree

Appeared to be a superstar. Maybe the contract zapped his motivation, but he is owed 37 million for the next 3 years. Alot for a guy who has never hit 30 hr’s or even driven in 100 rbi. If he keeps performing like he did last year he will be lucky to be in the league in a season or two.

by mugisha2009 on Jan 26, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

ack

that wasn’t your point. okay.

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 26, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

It was too long

The Jays thought he was a star in the making. Someone who would be a 5 or 6 time All Star over the contract. It was a pretty big contract who hadnt even hit 25 hr’s in a seaon. We are all praising the Jays for not signing Prince to a 9 year contract, who has put up great numbers. However, it was good to sign Rios to a 7 year deal and he had only put up good numbers but not great.

by mugisha2009 on Jan 26, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, extensions cost less than FA contacts

ORDINAL TEAM RANKINGS ARE NOT ROBUST OR USEFUL ANALYTICAL TOOLS

by Gerse on Jan 26, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes that is true

I am just glad the White Sox are paying him the 37 million and not the Jays. His career has been a huge disapointment, and I think he just lacks the motivation or mental toughness to succeed. There is a saying in football that I think applies to Rios, “Built like Tarzan, but plays like Jane”. That has been his career in a nutshell.

by mugisha2009 on Jan 26, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

The difference is in the money. 7 years for 60 or 70 mil versus 9 for 210. That’s a big difference.

by khaleeji on Jan 26, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of a star in the making

Would you risk giving Lawrie a Matt Moore-esque extension? Granted, he hasn’t given the same body of work Rios did before his extension, but I think those kind of riskier extensions are trying to anticipate a “5 or 6 time All Star” player. It seems like the Jays gambled on Rios and lost.

by PaulverizeAll! on Jan 26, 2012 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Two points

1) Even if they gambled and lost, that doesn’t mean it was a bad decision to gamble. Extensions covering free agent years (which essentially the case with Rios) work out much better than FA contracts.

2) Lawrie (and Moore) is a very different than Rios. Lawrie still has 6 years of control, including 3 pre-arb. When Rios signed that, he was already well into arb. I’m guessing that before Lawrie hits arb, the Jays will have tried to lock him up into his FA years.

by MjwW on Jan 26, 2012 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I also believe in the whole, trust the process, forget the results kind of mindset. Looking back on it, Lawrie was probably a poor choice as an example, but we pretty much agree on the same thing. You’re just much more knowledge of what the respective players’ contract situations are/were. Yay for ignorance!

by PaulverizeAll! on Jan 26, 2012 2:24 AM EST up reply actions  

You’re just much more knowledge of what the respective players’ contract situations are/were.

Well, considering that in the last month I’ve looked up the contract history of something like 500 players for my research into the return on free agent contracts and similar extensions (with another 250 to go, sigh), I would sure as hell hope so

by MjwW on Jan 26, 2012 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

omg. knowledgeable*

Also, holy crap. Are you doing this for work related stuff, or are you just a masochist?

by PaulverizeAll! on Jan 26, 2012 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol

It’s definitely not work related. I just wanted to answer a question, and it spiraled from there. And once I start something, I can’t stand not finishing it.

It’s not that bad really. Whenever I watch TV, I usually have to be doing something else anyway (or else I loose focus, my brain is funny that way). So I’ve just been plugging away it this, an hour or two at a time.

by MjwW on Jan 26, 2012 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

I wouldn’t have bothered without Cot’s Contracts/it being integrated in Baseball Prospectuss player cards. It’s time consuming enough as it, it would be impossible without this phenomenal resource

by MjwW on Jan 26, 2012 2:51 AM EST up reply actions  

By the way,

what does MjwW stand for? I’ve been trying to figure it out for a while and it’s been killing me.

by PaulverizeAll! on Jan 26, 2012 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

If you look at his career until 2008

He was definitely a star in the making. Rather, he was definitely a star at the time of the signing.

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 26, 2012 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

And for 1/2 a season, he put it all together

Until he got that infection, he was having a monster year.

But always in the background, you had to wonder whether the bizarre mental errors and lack of focus would return. Alex Rios is that classic “What if” player. The talent was/is so obviously there, but he’s been unable to harness it for more than a couple of month.

by siggian on Jan 26, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, he had 3 good years

But you’d look at them and say he could do so much more. And then for a 1/2 season until he got that nasty infection, he did. I think he had 17 HRs before the infection and everyone was thinking that 30 for year was there for the taking…

by siggian on Jan 26, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d he happy to see a contract like that give out again

that sentence was a trainwreck

by benk on Jan 26, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

He knows exactly what he’s doing. To me, that makes it worse, but the economic incentive is very clear

by MjwW on Jan 26, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps it's ignorant

but I would’ve thought someone being a vegetarian would make them naturally a bit more slim. But I don’t know, pies and ice cream don’t have meat.

by PaulverizeAll! on Jan 26, 2012 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Cathal Kelly wrote a similar piece of junk...

…in the Star. I stopped listening to The Fan a while ago, but it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the brainless idiots babbling for dollars there are bemoaning the Jays not signing Prince, too.

If they ever prefect brain transplants, and I have a serious head injury, I hope there’s a donor brain available from a sports writer or sports caster. Why? It would be like new – never used.

Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic

by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jan 26, 2012 12:24 AM EST reply actions  

Wins at what cost?

For the casual baseball fan, I can see why the lack of high-profile signings by the Jays is perplexing. After all, without a salary cap, why not pursue every high priced free agent at all costs? Buffery is undoubtedly missing the mark on this article. While Buffery is focused on the lump sum of cash involved in signing high profile free agents, he is missing the fact that at $214M over 9 years, Fielder has to produce at a rate of 5.2 WAR per year ($4.5M per WAR) over the lifetime of his contract. Fielder has average 3.9 WAR per year over his 6 full seasons, making it unlikely he will earn his “true” value on his contract, especially when you account for the rate at which heavy-set slugger age. I believe this was the main reason we did not sign Fielder as we wouldn’t get our bang for out bang, not that we wouldn’t want to raise our payroll by x amount of dollars.

If, however, situations were different and Fielder was much more likely to earn his $219M, don’t you think Rogers would fork over the dough? If you want to compare this situation to the Yankees, did they fork out the dough to acquire these high profile guys? The Yankees needed pitching more than we did and yet they didn’t go all out to acquire Yu, knowing that doing so comes at a great risk of losing your investment.

by No Way Jose on Jan 26, 2012 1:00 AM EST reply actions  

Due to inflation

He only has to average around 4 WAR/year (~36 WAR total) to make this “break even”. Take a few wins off if you believe the Tigers are in a good place on the win curve. But as you point out, it’s not unlikely. 4 WAR is roughly his average over the past couple years, and the aging curve means he’s very unlikely to replicate that over the next 9 years

by MjwW on Jan 26, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

At least his grammar was correct

but that was still the worst article I’ve read in a long time. But our grammar is worse, he has us there.

by khaleeji on Jan 26, 2012 1:16 AM EST reply actions  

I was referring to the post title… but, yes, at least we have our priorities straight ;)

by khaleeji on Jan 26, 2012 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, lol

I thought you were referring to some of the posts…several of mine have litanies of typos

by MjwW on Jan 26, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Pointing out typos

is lazy fan board posting people.

by FanInJapan on Jan 26, 2012 2:32 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Titles matter

It’s the title, Fan. Surely we can get it right there? It makes the site look bad if we don’t at least care about the headlines. Someone’s browsing, they see a shoddy title and they move on thinking we’re as intelligent as our grammar. Titles matter; grammar and spelling in the comment / discussion section, not so much. But the headlines matter.

Steve Buffery thinks that Rogers are the worse owners ever

by khaleeji on Jan 26, 2012 6:16 AM EST up reply actions  

no offense intended. a little nudge was all I intended for you in the first comment. The second was aimed at the comment saying it didn’t matter and it shouldn’t have been brought to your attention. We all make mistakes and I’m sure you want to know about them because you love what you do, you’re always striving to do it better… and you love the site.

by khaleeji on Jan 26, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Still with the 'cheap on Darvish' comments

I don’t get how thinking people cannot realise that it would have been extremely difficult to read Texas’ mind and figure out how much they were going to bid exactly and then add an extra 500,000. If it were that easy, then sure call Rogers’ bid cheap, but if it were that easy, Texas could read our minds too.. this argument just doesn’t make sense. From all accounts we made what could have been a winning bid; someone else just made a better winning bid ;)

by khaleeji on Jan 26, 2012 1:20 AM EST reply actions  

Not Really

Until the Jays or AA can actualy tell the public what the Jays bid it all speculation. We have no idea if thye bid 50 million, 40 0r 25 million/

by mugisha2009 on Jan 26, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Business before pleasure...

as Rogers expects AA to build a contender and fan attendance/viewership to increase BEFORE it boosts payroll.

Diehards buy into that, but more casual fans see it as the same old song and dance.

By the by, isn’t it time to change AA’s nickname to HH? For Harry Houdini.

by Blastov on Jan 26, 2012 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

"as Rogers expects AA to build a contender and fan attendance/viewership to increase BEFORE it boosts payroll."

Worked for the Rangers. Built it up from the farm, made the post season, now they’re outbidding us for Yu Darvish. Remember a few years again when they were claiming bankruptcy?

It can work

by Aidin on Jan 26, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Fixed
It can workIt does work

Not only the Rangers, but the Phillies too, 5-10 years ago. For mid-market teams, it’s more the rule than the exception.

The bankrupcty thing had nothing to do with attedance/winning/etc though. It was strictly due to to an owner who stacked too much debt on a team to acquire other assets and try and build a sports empire – it’s not like he took out the debt to cover massive operating losses.

by MjwW on Jan 26, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

To the last part, sure, I don't remember the specifics

My point was that a franchise went from (at best) an iffy financial situation to supporting a pretty big payroll that would have seemed inconceivable by many at the time, and it all came with attendance. Whether or not that was due the increase in revenue, profit, what have you, I obviously don’t know. But when fans start coming it puts pressure on the team to spend regardless. I wasn’t insinuating low attendance was the reason for their financial situation, if that’s what it seemed like

by Aidin on Jan 26, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope this man

Injures his writing hand in a non life-threatening way and doesn’t lose his job/can still provide for his family, but has a moral epiphny and next time decides against spewing this garbage that (I hope) he knows is garbage

I can’t believe someone actually published that. Actually, I can, but that speaks to how horrible some of these “sports writers” are

by Aidin on Jan 26, 2012 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

It's Just a Silly Article

I’m sorry if this is a stupid question. As I understood it, Rogers is a company. But isn’t he also 1 man? I mean is there a dude named Rogers that wears expensive suits and a white fedora hat and drinks single malt scotch, neat of course? I know nothing about Rogers and while I understand that it is a very large media company I always assumed that there was some dude that walks around 1 Blue Jays Way smoking a Cuban and flirting with the ladies.

‘cause if there is a dude named Rogers I’m thinking that maybe, just maybe, he flirted with this reports wife, caused his divorce and has his children calling him daddy now.

by FanInJapan on Jan 26, 2012 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

Rogers is a publicly traded company so it’s not owned by 1 man. It was started by the late Ted Rogers, and his sons are still on the board methinks, but the CEO is Nadir Mohamed.

Follow me @Minor_Leaguer

by Minor Leaguer on Jan 26, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow..

Closed the article off after the third paragraph (almost after the first with that BS about “Pal Hal” wanting to win).

by Alan F. on Jan 29, 2012 3:33 AM EST reply actions  

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