Steve Buffery Thinks That Rogers Are The Worst Owners Ever
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I say
who’s Steve Buffery
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
by Pikachu on Jan 25, 2012 8:10 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
I think the email address answers what I needed to know.
It’s unpossible to use the words intelligent and thought to describe anything written in the Sun.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 25, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Alright with the minor league stuff.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 25, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
He covers a variety of sports, apparently
Just not the Jays that much (at least not lately): http://www.torontosun.com/author/steve-buffery
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 25, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
So basically the Sun's Damien Cox
Jack of all sports, butcher of all. Write stupid garbage to get page views
I think you are referring to this poor excuse of a human being

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My eyes! The goggles DO NOTHING!
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by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 25, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Just read the comments...
Everyone (so far) has agreed with the article completely. Hope it’s not an indication of what the rest of the Blue Jays fanbase thinks…
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 25, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he made accounts
i can’t believe it, i won’t !!
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 25, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
That had to be the dumbest article I've read in a long time.
Signing a guy that will be DH in a couple of years and whose numbers will be on the decline soon to a $200 + contract. It’s not the 90’s anymore, players aren’t going to be improving as they age now.
I blog, therefore I am.
What happened in the 90s to help with that?
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 25, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Caterpillar Fungus!
According to the now disgraced Chinese Olympic Female Swim Team coaches who were caught using some old fashioned East German “medicine.”
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 25, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
No!
Not steroids!
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 26, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I think we should ban all toronto sun links
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 25, 2012 8:39 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
+1
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 25, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Blah blah blah
Nothing that hasn’t been said before.
And please, no lectures about how Rogers has to be careful with their money. I don’t understand that and never will understand that.
Pretty much says it all right here. Translation: I’ve made up my mind, damn the torpedoes full speed ahead with the piss and vinegar, and let’s not let facts get in the way of a good soundng argument.
Unless you’re paid by Rogers, why should fans worry about how much money Rogers spends? Rogers has tons of money. Rogers is rich, RICH.
Fiduciary obligation, it’s actually shareholder money, etc etc etc. Oh right, we’ve already decided inconvienent facts don’t matter.
Why do Jays fans have to be patient — like those Rogers employees lecture them to be. Yankees fans don’t have to be patient.
Of course, prior to 1995, the Yankees hadn’t made the playoffs in something like 12 or 13 years, precisely because they didn;t build a core and just tried to apaper over their problems. Oh, right – silly me. These damn facts again.
And worse than that, we then have to endure the legion of Rogers apologists justifying the organization’s lack of spending, all the while putting Jays fans in their place for being angry or frustrated.
I assume at this point I’m a Rogers apologist, so I guess that means I’m not a fan. I guess those 140 or 150 games I watched last year (and the vast majority of the rest that I listened to) was just so I could tell all the real fans how stupid they are.
Imagine Fielder’s bat beside Jose Bautista’s. Magic. Post-season magic.
So simple! It’s too bad simple old AA and 20 other GMs who missed the playoffs don’t know this formula, rigourously derived from first principles. Buzzard must be the Issac Newton of baseball. Actually, maybe a baseball falling on his head from a tree explains this column.
And it just so happens, a number of readers and colleagues have told me this week that their Rogers cable has bill has gone up again.
Of course, one has everything to do with he other.
What a sell-out. The Jays are a business.
Nothing has convinced me that this corporate owner wants to win above everything else — like Mike Ilitch wants to win, or Mark Cuban wants to win or George Steinbrenner wanted to win.
And as we all know, businesses are supposed to spend whatever necessary to please thier customer, profit be damned. Seriously, the tragedy of this cilumn is that the profound cognitive dissonance.
If he was allowed to spend anywhere close to the Yanks or the Red Sox, he’d be able to sign one or two big-time free agents or pull off a blockbuster trade, and that would turn the Jays into real contenders.
Right, that worked really well for the Angels last year and their blockbuster trade of Wells. Money = wins, end of story.
by MjwW on Jan 25, 2012 8:45 PM EST reply actions 19 recs
I'll rec that because you took the time to read it.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 25, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
I'll rec this because FUNNY COMMENT HAH
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
by Pikachu on Jan 25, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I'll rec that because I thought of actually doing the blockquotes' things
and you spared me the effort.
And beacause you risked severe brain damage by reading through all of it…
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
Only for smug satisfaction
So I can tell the real fans how stupid they are. No other reason.
by MjwW on Jan 25, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Do you mind if i copy and paste this
and send it to him in an email =D
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 25, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Lol
If you want, fine by me. I didn’t proofread so there’s a bunch of little typos that should be editted. It’s also not completely cogent, but then again, neither was the article so it’s on Buzzard’s level
Funny stuff… you spelled edited wrong ;)
#greattiming
Here's my attempt at a witty sig. Didn't really go so well, methinks.
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by Cam Oegema on Jan 26, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Toronto Sun
Stopped reading there.
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by Frag on Jan 25, 2012 8:48 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
/thread
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 25, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
in more relevant news
BP’s Jays prospect rankings supposedly out tomorrow. cool beans.
Also, MLB.com ranking at 10PM? I think?
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
The most dissapointing thing about that article is the comments section
Really now people need to stop looking at most mainstream sports writers articles and hope on the blog :)
What a joke
Sounds like a child arguing with their parents, “YOU ARE THE WORST MOM EVER!”
Most of the people who believe in this “Rogers is at fault” thing are generally the unintelligent part (not all but most) of the fanbase (which is the majority). Detroit and the Angels are both completely out of the playoff race starting within 3 years. (Time to find out how old Pujols really is).
by Mike Andrew on Jan 25, 2012 9:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Or possible impatience?
It is entirely possible the average age of a Blue Jays fan is 80 and they all want to see the Jays win?
Exactly who I was referencing. :P
Heck I’d do that too!
Sounds like a child arguing with their parents, "YOU ARE THE WORST MOM EVER!"
I like this comparison, strikes me as quite apt actually.
Detroit and the Angels are both completely out of the playoff race starting within 3 years.
That’s a little over the top, the Angels have a huge budget which goes a long way and Detroit plays in the Central, which is a huge advantage
Maybe your right with the Angels
But I still think Fielder is going to accumulate maybe 15 WAR in his 9 year deal (tops). They can’t afford massive payroll and Fielder is going to weigh them down. Serious contenders for this year anyways, we will have to see.
I dunno, that seems awfully low
I don’t think he has much chance to put up more than, say, 25 WAR… but even with the weight issue, he’s a legitimately elite player and he’s only 27.
that said, no chance in hell he comes close to earning that contract
actually
if Detroit is dumb enough to let him play 1B for 9 years, then I’d actually lean closer to your estimate than to 25 WAR. he’s going to lose a crazy amount of value from defense
Well they have to play him there for a while anyways.
Fangraphs did that thing on how he will age, and he is essentially the same age as Pujols in non-fat-people years.
I think Fielder might be the worst FA signing of the decade. Does anybody think Pujols might be significantly older than his listed age? Apparently there have been questions about his age so I’d believe it if hes currently 35.
He could be
But you don’t have any evidence to support that, at all. I mean, to me, it’s the same thing as asking if Bautista’s on steroids. Completely unfair
But you've got to ask the question, right?
Depends
We don’t know how well he will or would adapt to DHing. Some guys do better than others when they’re removed from the game and are eseentially pinch hitting 4 or 5 times a game. We can talk about aggregate factors, but the effect is quite individualized.
Injuries too
Fielder has been remarkably durable for years. There’s an element of luck in that. I’d say it’s very unlikely he continues that streak for the entire contract. In fact, I wouldn’t bet against him going on the DL sometime in the next 3 years, which would also dampen his value.
Except Lawrie
He just fakes injuries so he has a little extra time to fight crime and injustice in the dark streets of Toronto.
by PaulverizeAll! on Jan 26, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
Lol I wish it was the case
but I remember there being stories about how he is such a handsy hitter that he will get a lot of break injuries from hands.
If these reporters want something with traction
they need to start questioning what the TV rights are worth, Rogers deflects any payroll questions with attendance being the excuse. Canada’s a big TV market for one team to have, Roger’s would have to pay a fortune for the rights at market value, and on top of that they pocket all of the revenue generated by that content.
Toronto Sun.
Flagged.
I am a fan of a team in the NBA, MLB, NHL, and NFL. I haven't seen the playoffs since April 28th, 2008 (1st round exit by raps). I haven't seen playoffs past the 1st round since January 26th, 2006. Stop and think about how insane it is. And depressing.
by Eddie.Teach on Jan 25, 2012 9:53 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
No way Rogers are the worst owners
I’d say Interbrew were worse. Probably the first ownership group of the Raptors too. The Argos have had some pretty bad sets of owners over the years. You could argue that MLSE has been bad too (incompetence rather than cheapness).
Harold Friggin’ Ballard.
/shudders
Here's my attempt at a witty sig. Didn't really go so well, methinks.
Wise men wonder, while strong men die.
I agree
But the article starts off by saying that Rogers are the worst Toronto sports team owners ever and then immediately state, well, that Ballard was worse but Buffoon won’t count him.
I thought I would play along and not count Ballard too, because he is easily the worst ever Toronto sports team owner. I think I managed to name several owners who are/were worse owners.
But the article also states that Ballard likes winning, unlike Rogers.
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 26, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
Rogers would absolutely hate the extra revenue and profits generated by a winning team
by Playoffs!!!!1 on Jan 26, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yup
it’s always better to do the wrong thing (i.e. lose a lot) for the right reason ("an insatiable appetite for winning) like Ballard did than to do the right thing (consistent winning – - which we hope/think the Jays are doing) for the wrong reason (CORPORATE PROFTIZ booo!) like AA/Rogers.
by SuckaMD on Jan 26, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just noticed the video at the top of his article
Mentions missing out on Gio and Latos on top of Fielder and Darvish —____—
hmmmm not sure what i did at the end there but yeah....
all his words are beyond invalid
by yellowalman on Jan 25, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
meh
he’s not really better than Cecil, Drabek, McGowan will probably be out of ST and McGuire/Hutchison towards the end of the season. Getting Franchise for depth would have been fine, but it’s no big loss that we didn’t.
Sadface
Reading that made me feel depressed.
Can someone write up a hit list ranking the worst Toronto Sports writers from evil to horrible?
thisrighthere!
by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 25, 2012 10:56 PM EST reply actions
1. Simmons
1. Cox
1. Whoever this guy is
Here's my attempt at a witty sig. Didn't really go so well, methinks.
Wise men wonder, while strong men die.
corrolary question:
which Toronto MSM writers do we like? I don’t read many of the sports pages anymore (spend too much time here, BtB, fangraphs, SBN’s Baseball Nation, etc), so I don’t even know who’s worthwhile.
John Lott is pretty good
But even then, I’m in the same boat, I don’t read baseball in the MSM. Never did really, even before I got into the advanced metrics and stuff
Blair used to be ok, but he seems to have lost his mind lately
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
There is only 1 "n" in Hutchison
Also remember one thing...
Sun “Media” is also a rival of Rogers in various media. It’s not like the Sun would pass up a chance to stick to a rival (even if the rival also owns most of the local sports properties that it has to cover.)
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 25, 2012 10:59 PM EST reply actions
A letter to the Blue Jays
Dear Alex Anthopolous,
Quickly spend as much money as you can squeeze out of the hands of your owner. It is the best way to earn their trust and more importantly win games.
Yours,
JP Riccardi
CC: Vernon Wells, Alex Rios, BJ Ryan, Frank Thomas, AJ Burnett,
by KennySauce on Jan 25, 2012 11:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
hmm
they actually produced something close to the value of their contracts?
Burnett did
Rios didn’t, but the degree to which he fell of could not have been reasonably foreseen (at least ffrom the fan POV, maybe the front office had better info). I’d he happy to see a contract like that give out again
ok
what were the details of rios’s contract again?
if I recall correctly
5 years/$50 million dollars. a very strong case could be made that in the three years leading up to the deal Rios was the best right fielder in the MLB (and if not the best, certainly top-3 or 4)
wow.
that doesn’t seem like a crazy-stupid deal.
i wonder how AA would have signed him…
ya, i guess i can see that
what were the details? and do you know how much WAR he put up over the life of the contract?
homeboy got too comfortable?
is there a way teams can do enough due diligence regarding a players mental makeup in order to forcast how he’ll react to the security of a big deal?
AA always talks about character guys, and by that i think he means (among other things) a guy who really has a hard, intelligent work ethic at his core.
ya
i always got that impression about him. when watching him on TV and in person, he just never seemed to run for a fly ball at any rate higher than like 80%. it usually looked like he was cruising. and then occasionally he’d turn it up to 90% or so.
i suppose other people despised him for that as i did
I always thought he was just "graceful"
he was really, really fast. and I’m sure the whole 2009 fiasco/hindsight bias doesn’t help people remember Rios as a top player in his peak
true
his good years were stricken from the record, myself included
yeah
agreed with benk on this one. Really great outfielders just look like they don’t give a crap (at least, that’s what I hear about Andruw Jones in his prime)
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
like I remember actually thinking that when he played
even like Ellsbury doesn’t look like he’s trying out there
It's a common complaint
I often hear regarding Beltran. Always looks lazy out there, but he’s actually a great defensive CF.
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ya
i guess a lot of people see the “lack of hustle” when a player struggles to get results.
but when they do get results, he’s graceful.
I also remember his incident
with some fan or camera guy, where he swore at them. Didn’t seem very pleasant. I always loved the look of his swing, even when I was an especially ignorant baseball fan. But I don’t know, even in his interviews he seemed a bit standoff-ish.
Thinking of Rios always makes me scared of Bautista falling off a cliff.
by PaulverizeAll! on Jan 26, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
I thought that video was really overblown
we talked about it a few times on this site… from what I understand, this is what happened
kid asks for autograph, Rios says no (not exactly a nice thing to do, but not unheard of either)
guy starts heckling him in public
Rios cusses
it’s nothing Bondsian, really
Extension runs from 2008 through 2014 (with an option)
As a Jay he was paid ~$4.8M in 2008 and probably the majority of the $6.4M salary in 2009 before the Sox picked him up. rWAR says he produced 0.7 WAR during those ~2 years. fWAR says something in the neighbourhood of 6 WAR.
So by fWAR he was certainly worth the money (for the Jays). By rWAR he cost us 6~7M or something.
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
I Agree
Appeared to be a superstar. Maybe the contract zapped his motivation, but he is owed 37 million for the next 3 years. Alot for a guy who has never hit 30 hr’s or even driven in 100 rbi. If he keeps performing like he did last year he will be lucky to be in the league in a season or two.
by mugisha2009 on Jan 26, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
I still see no good argument for not offering Rios that contract
other than hindsight
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
It was too long
The Jays thought he was a star in the making. Someone who would be a 5 or 6 time All Star over the contract. It was a pretty big contract who hadnt even hit 25 hr’s in a seaon. We are all praising the Jays for not signing Prince to a 9 year contract, who has put up great numbers. However, it was good to sign Rios to a 7 year deal and he had only put up good numbers but not great.
To be fair, extensions cost less than FA contacts
ORDINAL TEAM RANKINGS ARE NOT ROBUST OR USEFUL ANALYTICAL TOOLS
Yes that is true
I am just glad the White Sox are paying him the 37 million and not the Jays. His career has been a huge disapointment, and I think he just lacks the motivation or mental toughness to succeed. There is a saying in football that I think applies to Rios, “Built like Tarzan, but plays like Jane”. That has been his career in a nutshell.
Speaking of a star in the making
Would you risk giving Lawrie a Matt Moore-esque extension? Granted, he hasn’t given the same body of work Rios did before his extension, but I think those kind of riskier extensions are trying to anticipate a “5 or 6 time All Star” player. It seems like the Jays gambled on Rios and lost.
by PaulverizeAll! on Jan 26, 2012 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
Two points
1) Even if they gambled and lost, that doesn’t mean it was a bad decision to gamble. Extensions covering free agent years (which essentially the case with Rios) work out much better than FA contracts.
2) Lawrie (and Moore) is a very different than Rios. Lawrie still has 6 years of control, including 3 pre-arb. When Rios signed that, he was already well into arb. I’m guessing that before Lawrie hits arb, the Jays will have tried to lock him up into his FA years.
I agree
I also believe in the whole, trust the process, forget the results kind of mindset. Looking back on it, Lawrie was probably a poor choice as an example, but we pretty much agree on the same thing. You’re just much more knowledge of what the respective players’ contract situations are/were. Yay for ignorance!
by PaulverizeAll! on Jan 26, 2012 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
You’re just much more knowledge of what the respective players’ contract situations are/were.
Well, considering that in the last month I’ve looked up the contract history of something like 500 players for my research into the return on free agent contracts and similar extensions (with another 250 to go, sigh), I would sure as hell hope so
omg. knowledgeable*
Also, holy crap. Are you doing this for work related stuff, or are you just a masochist?
by PaulverizeAll! on Jan 26, 2012 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
Lol
It’s definitely not work related. I just wanted to answer a question, and it spiraled from there. And once I start something, I can’t stand not finishing it.
It’s not that bad really. Whenever I watch TV, I usually have to be doing something else anyway (or else I loose focus, my brain is funny that way). So I’ve just been plugging away it this, an hour or two at a time.
By the way,
what does MjwW stand for? I’ve been trying to figure it out for a while and it’s been killing me.
by PaulverizeAll! on Jan 26, 2012 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
If you look at his career until 2008
He was definitely a star in the making. Rather, he was definitely a star at the time of the signing.
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
And for 1/2 a season, he put it all together
Until he got that infection, he was having a monster year.
But always in the background, you had to wonder whether the bizarre mental errors and lack of focus would return. Alex Rios is that classic “What if” player. The talent was/is so obviously there, but he’s been unable to harness it for more than a couple of month.
Yes, he had 3 good years
But you’d look at them and say he could do so much more. And then for a 1/2 season until he got that nasty infection, he did. I think he had 17 HRs before the infection and everyone was thinking that 30 for year was there for the taking…
actually it is
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 26, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I’m goin’ off the rails on a crazy train…
Here's my attempt at a witty sig. Didn't really go so well, methinks.
Wise men wonder, while strong men die.
by Cam Oegema on Jan 26, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not just an idiot
I know it sounds far-fetched, but hear me out. See, guys like this “writer” for a “reputable” news outlet realize that people do not read their ignorant scribblings because they have any inherent value (I’m assuming he isn’t delusional. Again, bear with me). No, what drives their readership is the popularity of the team (and in this case, based on the quality of the content, some form of masochism). If the Jays sign Prince Fielder it generates “BUZZ” and the casual fan starts paying attention to the team, and by association, the legion of hacks that cover the team. Imagine all the easy columns that would be generated about this charismatic, enigmatic, superstar. The troubled relationship with his father, his vegetarianism, etc., etc. To me this is about journalistic laziness and the search for easy narratives in lieu of rational and comprehensive analysis.
by icemanDan on Jan 25, 2012 11:58 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Perhaps it's ignorant
but I would’ve thought someone being a vegetarian would make them naturally a bit more slim. But I don’t know, pies and ice cream don’t have meat.
by PaulverizeAll! on Jan 26, 2012 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
Cathal Kelly wrote a similar piece of junk...
…in the Star. I stopped listening to The Fan a while ago, but it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the brainless idiots babbling for dollars there are bemoaning the Jays not signing Prince, too.
If they ever prefect brain transplants, and I have a serious head injury, I hope there’s a donor brain available from a sports writer or sports caster. Why? It would be like new – never used.
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jan 26, 2012 12:24 AM EST reply actions
Wins at what cost?
For the casual baseball fan, I can see why the lack of high-profile signings by the Jays is perplexing. After all, without a salary cap, why not pursue every high priced free agent at all costs? Buffery is undoubtedly missing the mark on this article. While Buffery is focused on the lump sum of cash involved in signing high profile free agents, he is missing the fact that at $214M over 9 years, Fielder has to produce at a rate of 5.2 WAR per year ($4.5M per WAR) over the lifetime of his contract. Fielder has average 3.9 WAR per year over his 6 full seasons, making it unlikely he will earn his “true” value on his contract, especially when you account for the rate at which heavy-set slugger age. I believe this was the main reason we did not sign Fielder as we wouldn’t get our bang for out bang, not that we wouldn’t want to raise our payroll by x amount of dollars.
If, however, situations were different and Fielder was much more likely to earn his $219M, don’t you think Rogers would fork over the dough? If you want to compare this situation to the Yankees, did they fork out the dough to acquire these high profile guys? The Yankees needed pitching more than we did and yet they didn’t go all out to acquire Yu, knowing that doing so comes at a great risk of losing your investment.
Due to inflation
He only has to average around 4 WAR/year (~36 WAR total) to make this “break even”. Take a few wins off if you believe the Tigers are in a good place on the win curve. But as you point out, it’s not unlikely. 4 WAR is roughly his average over the past couple years, and the aging curve means he’s very unlikely to replicate that over the next 9 years
At least his grammar was correct
but that was still the worst article I’ve read in a long time. But our grammar is worse, he has us there.
I put as much thought into my grammar as he did to the content of his article
Fair is fair
by MjwW on Jan 26, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Oh yeah, lol
I thought you were referring to some of the posts…several of mine have litanies of typos
Pointing out typos
is lazy fan board posting people.
by FanInJapan on Jan 26, 2012 2:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Titles matter
It’s the title, Fan. Surely we can get it right there? It makes the site look bad if we don’t at least care about the headlines. Someone’s browsing, they see a shoddy title and they move on thinking we’re as intelligent as our grammar. Titles matter; grammar and spelling in the comment / discussion section, not so much. But the headlines matter.
Steve Buffery thinks that Rogers are the worse owners ever
What?
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 26, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no offense intended. a little nudge was all I intended for you in the first comment. The second was aimed at the comment saying it didn’t matter and it shouldn’t have been brought to your attention. We all make mistakes and I’m sure you want to know about them because you love what you do, you’re always striving to do it better… and you love the site.
No offense taken… what was the error you saw? That “Rogers” is not plural?
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 26, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhhh wow I read that many many many many times and didn't see that
Thanks for pointing it out.
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 26, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Still with the 'cheap on Darvish' comments
I don’t get how thinking people cannot realise that it would have been extremely difficult to read Texas’ mind and figure out how much they were going to bid exactly and then add an extra 500,000. If it were that easy, then sure call Rogers’ bid cheap, but if it were that easy, Texas could read our minds too.. this argument just doesn’t make sense. From all accounts we made what could have been a winning bid; someone else just made a better winning bid ;)
Not Really
Until the Jays or AA can actualy tell the public what the Jays bid it all speculation. We have no idea if thye bid 50 million, 40 0r 25 million/
Dear Mr. Rogers
I would like to say that I don’t think that you are the worst owners of the Jays ever. Not by a long shot. What you have done for the Jays will be remembered for ever. You taught the Jays and your fans how to use your imagination and puppets. I loved the puppets growing up. Especially the little King one. He was so cute and funny. Oh how I wished I could be a puppet King.
On behalf of children everywhere, I want you to know Mr. Rogers how much we love you. You have brought class to the organization and are teaching other organizations how to behave properly.
Sincerely,
A Fan in Japan
PS – Can you tell me where I can buy one of those sweaters that you wear? They’re really swell…
by FanInJapan on Jan 26, 2012 2:36 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Fred Rogers is the man!
See him pown these Hollywood fools.
I’ll watch the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCYn21GriYI
thisrighthere!
by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 26, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Business before pleasure...
as Rogers expects AA to build a contender and fan attendance/viewership to increase BEFORE it boosts payroll.
Diehards buy into that, but more casual fans see it as the same old song and dance.
By the by, isn’t it time to change AA’s nickname to HH? For Harry Houdini.
"as Rogers expects AA to build a contender and fan attendance/viewership to increase BEFORE it boosts payroll."
Worked for the Rangers. Built it up from the farm, made the post season, now they’re outbidding us for Yu Darvish. Remember a few years again when they were claiming bankruptcy?
It can work
Fixed
It can workIt does work
Not only the Rangers, but the Phillies too, 5-10 years ago. For mid-market teams, it’s more the rule than the exception.
The bankrupcty thing had nothing to do with attedance/winning/etc though. It was strictly due to to an owner who stacked too much debt on a team to acquire other assets and try and build a sports empire – it’s not like he took out the debt to cover massive operating losses.
To the last part, sure, I don't remember the specifics
My point was that a franchise went from (at best) an iffy financial situation to supporting a pretty big payroll that would have seemed inconceivable by many at the time, and it all came with attendance. Whether or not that was due the increase in revenue, profit, what have you, I obviously don’t know. But when fans start coming it puts pressure on the team to spend regardless. I wasn’t insinuating low attendance was the reason for their financial situation, if that’s what it seemed like
I hope this man
Injures his writing hand in a non life-threatening way and doesn’t lose his job/can still provide for his family, but has a moral epiphny and next time decides against spewing this garbage that (I hope) he knows is garbage
I can’t believe someone actually published that. Actually, I can, but that speaks to how horrible some of these “sports writers” are
It's Just a Silly Article
I’m sorry if this is a stupid question. As I understood it, Rogers is a company. But isn’t he also 1 man? I mean is there a dude named Rogers that wears expensive suits and a white fedora hat and drinks single malt scotch, neat of course? I know nothing about Rogers and while I understand that it is a very large media company I always assumed that there was some dude that walks around 1 Blue Jays Way smoking a Cuban and flirting with the ladies.
‘cause if there is a dude named Rogers I’m thinking that maybe, just maybe, he flirted with this reports wife, caused his divorce and has his children calling him daddy now.
Rogers is a publicly traded company so it’s not owned by 1 man. It was started by the late Ted Rogers, and his sons are still on the board methinks, but the CEO is Nadir Mohamed.
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 26, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Wow..
Closed the article off after the third paragraph (almost after the first with that BS about “Pal Hal” wanting to win).






















