Three way trade - Toronto -Texas - Baltimore?

by Blastov on Jan 27, 2012 9:02 AM EST

I keep thinking about the one that got away - Koji Uehara. It would have been nice to see him in the bullpen, but since he is not, I continue to ponder how to make use of the trade that almost was... The one that comes to mind is getting Uehara back to where he wants to be - Baltimore. And I'd like to see the Jays pick up Jonathon Schoop (2nd base, their no. 3 rated prospect)from Baltimore. Can anyone come up with a scenario that makes this work? My guess -Jays send a B/B- position prospect to Texas and Drabek or a B pitching prospect to Baltimore. Texas sends Uehara to Baltimore. Schoop to Toronto.

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Not sure if this makes sense for the O's

Doubt they’d be willing to trade Schoop unless they get a young equivalent talent in return.

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 27, 2012 9:43 AM EST reply actions

More than. Their farm system only has three plus prospects and badly need of restocking.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 27, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions

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Baltimore has a blackhole at second base, mainly because Brian Roberts is constantly injured. It would be quite counter productive of them to trade off a good quality prospect at a premium position. I don’t see them moving him. Him and machado will be their double play combo for many years I believe.

by highvoltagerob on Jan 27, 2012 9:49 AM EST reply actions 1 recs

The only way this happens is if the Orioles are a poorly run organization ....

hmmm …

by Playoffs!!!!1 on Jan 27, 2012 10:00 AM EST reply actions

No

The only way this happens is if we sign a truckload mediocre Pacific Rim players and flip them to Baltimore. Get on it, AA.

by MjwW on Jan 27, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Just wondering if

Baltimore could be tempted for a pitching prospect or two. If their need for pitching depth outweighs that blackhole at 2nd. Anyway, this idea is just for fun.

by Blastov on Jan 27, 2012 10:01 AM EST reply actions

Don't see why they would want Uehara back

does pretty much nothing for them. And I’d think Schoop is ahead of Drabek at the moment.

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 27, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions

Reading over CC, they loves their Koji and wish he was back.

Front Office? Maybe considering their push into Asia.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 27, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions

yeah but at the cost of actual good prospects?

sounds backwards

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 27, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions

No. Not at that price.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 27, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions

I doubt Baltimore would trade away Schoop.

He’s one of the three Baltimore Prospects that are worth anything (Machado and Bundy the younger the other two.)

If I were an Orioles fan or their GM for that matter, I would not even consider it unless the Jays were willing to part with Lawrie (which is ridiculous, but that’s the only way it would make sense to the O’s.)

The only way this works is if we have any minor leaguers of Greek ancestry that Angelos would prize above all common sense.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 27, 2012 10:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs

I disagree with this

Schoop is good, but he’s not that good so as to be nearly untouchable (as Machado and Bundy are). There are plenty of packages the Jays could offer well short of Lawrie equivalent that Baltimore should accept (should meaning in their best interest).

Also, Bundy the elder is a decent prosect in his own right

by MjwW on Jan 27, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions

My point was that Baltimore would be looking for something to help restock their system

or more likely expect back something greater in return than what they’re giving up to make up for the short comings in their farm system.

Baltimore’s awful Player development system is such that their system has a lot of holes (OF, 1B, 3B, 2B/SS depth and pitching depth.) Signing guys like old Vlad and KG cost them draft picks didn’t help either.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 27, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions

I'm with MjwW on this

Baltimore only has three top end prospects, only one of whom is a pitcher, so wouldn’t they be at least tempted to move Schoop in return for two prospects, say McGuire and Sanchez. Now, this begins to look expensive for the Jays, but wouldn’t it be prudent to leverage the surplus of pitcher prospects for a needed position player.

So, the O’s get Uehara and two pitchers for one prospect. Jays, meanwhile, send Jimenez or Crouse to Texas, since Uehara is really a salary dump for them.

by Blastov on Jan 27, 2012 12:17 PM EST reply actions

Overpay

so you’re saying McGuire, Sanchez and Jimenez/Crouse for Schoop??

by 7-9nomore on Jan 27, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions

You're building this deal on a false premise

The O’s do not need Uehara. He would be a nice piece, but they aren’t going to give up anything important to get him.

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Jan 27, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions

To be clear

I don’t think Schoop is a great fit for the Jays, and certainly not at that kind of cost. That trade prosopal frankly doesn;t make a lot of sense at all. More importantly, reacquiring Uehara makes no sense for the Orioles as they rebuild. I was merely disagreeing with the implication that the Orioles should not part with him for less than a Lawrie-type return. There are plenty of lesser prospect packages the Orioles could be offered that would make sense of them less short of that return. Of course, prospect for prospect challenge trades rarely occur.

by MjwW on Jan 27, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions