Cordero’s average fastball velocity dropped from 94.3 miles-per-hour in 2010 to 92.6 in 2011. Fastballs and sinkers, which made up more than two-thirds of his pitches in 2010, represented 44 percent of his pitches in 2011.
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McClellan is being shopped so the Cards can sign Oswalt.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
It should be.
If Oswalt doesn’t go to the Sox, that’s incredible news for the division.
If Jackson doesn’t either, that’s amazing.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
If the Cards really wanted to sign Oswalt, I don't think being stuck with McClellan would stop them
but who knows. $2.5M, not too expensive.
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
part of the mlbtr write up
Meanwhile, the Cardinals are looking to clear money in order to sign Roy Oswalt, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. It was rumored this week that St. Louis was near a deal with the veteran but Morosi stresses that there’s no deal in place just yet.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
I get that
but I just see it hard to think McClellan’s $2.5M would be what stops them from getting what they want.
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
That seems to be the amount that is holding up the Red Sox, too.
Doesn’t make sense to me, either.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Especially since the Cards just won the WS
they really can’t afford $2.5M extra? strange
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
Apparently they just really don't want to pay him.
3:47pm: The Cards appear to be interested in salary relief more than obtaining a high-end prospect for McClellan, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The club could also move Kyle Lohse or Jake Westbrook to the bullpen.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
The Red Sox sure could use him.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Uhhhhhhh
yeah he was, but do you see their options? haha Cook, Padilla, Bard, Aceves, Maine, etc etc etc
He was bad last season, but at this point, they probably need someone who can give them a boatload of innings, and the only one in that group who can really do that is Cook. Yikes!
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Do you know care to think about your division rivals?
Maybe you will when the Blue Jays have a chance at competing for the division and wildcard. I’m pretty sure I didn’t care nearly as much when the Rays were bad.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Everything would have to go perfectly for the Jays and completely wrong for 2 of Yanks, Red Sox, and Rays for the Jays to have a chance.
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
I know.
But I have hopes that everything might go wrong for the Sox. Blue Jays might be fighting for 3rd. It could happen.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
You don't think it'll be close?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
to interject
no, not really. I mean, it’s not totally impossible by any stretch of the imagination, but I would put the Jays finishing 3rd or better at around a 15-20% chance
I think 20% is pretty significant.
That’s not exactly writing them off.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
not especially, no.
The rotation would have to drastically improve to be the 3rd best team in the ALE
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
So is the Rays's offense.
I mean the pitching is on the Rays is a lot better, but the offense on the Jays is pretty good. If the Sox’s pitching is as bad as I hope it can be, it could be decently close.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
overall the Rays position players were still a lot better than the Jays last year
infinitely better defense
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
Can't argue there, but you said offense.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Cordero used his Slider in 2011 a lot more tan before... and this resulted in the bes groundball-rate of his carrier
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by jaysfanfromeurope on Jan 29, 2012 4:33 PM EST reply actions
…more than before…..the best…. sorry, it´s already late over here!
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by jaysfanfromeurope on Jan 29, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
There is a discussion of this article...
… on Tom Tango’s blog:
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jan 29, 2012 4:49 PM EST reply actions
And to reiterate
Why is this bad news? Free agent pitchers are awful value, on average. So all it means is we’ll be deprived of the privilege to hypothetically commit what will probably be way too much money to him. As an added bonus, we’ll be spared all the compalining about moral failing on the part of Rgoers if we were to be a free agent, and we don’t sing him.
Yeah I don’t see it either, he would command too much attention on the open market.
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by scrambles the death dealer on Jan 30, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno
I think he’s still somewhat under-the-radar. People know he’s good, but I don’t think it’s quite as mainstream just how freaking unreal he is. He’ll get a big contract, but probably similar in size to some other guys that he’s actually quite a bit better than.
That could be, but AA has shown a propensity for not signing free agents and Grienke’s contract will unlikely provide surplus value on the open market.
Donny, please.
by scrambles the death dealer on Jan 30, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Cordero 93.0 2011 FA-Vel
Per fangraphs, FC’s average fastball velocity was 93.0 in 2011, not 92.6. I did not realize that different sources would give different figures for this stat.
1 yr deal for 5 mil
Let’s put this in perspective: we signed Cordero for roughly 5 million on a 1 yr deal the year after he was paid 12 million. In other words, Farrell and Alex know that he’s not as good as he once was and they are paying him accordingly. Not only that, he was the 9th inning guy in Cincinatti and we have him penciled in for the 8th. So his velocity has dropped, and we’re paying him and playing him accordingly, even though his groundball rate shows that he might have learned how to be a pitcher last year instead of just a thrower. Sounds like a smart move to me, and as we’re only tied in for 1 year, it’s low risk.
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