Oswalt also let Cleve. and Tor. know he had no interest, clearly wants Texas, StL
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You beat me to it
To me, this implies that AA was at least somewhat active in trying to sign Oswalt. Thoughts?
Just doing what every GM should be doing, basically leaving no stone unturned...
Although I wouldn’t be upset if he just let Oswalt be…
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by dannyofbosnia on Jan 30, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
good that he was active
not really a huge deal at all that he couldn’t get Oswalt, the we save cash, roster spot, and innings for youngsters. each one of those savings isn’t worth much, but together they’re a fairly significant opportunity cost of signing Oswalt
Can't combine all 3 to arrive at an oppurtunity cost
It would only be the one most valuable foregone alternative (sorry, I had to)
by Aidin on Jan 30, 2012 11:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
okay don't tell anybody
or I’ll be back in first year before you can say “no such thing as a free lunch”
in reality, those three are the direct and indirect costs of signing Oswalt, not the opportunity costs
oh cool
Economics and baseball, I love it when you guys talk about zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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by JaysfanDL on Jan 30, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I was talking ecology
dropping a little J.P. Grime’s CSR hypothesis on y’all . . . sucks to those economist nerds
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oh, ok, much more interestzzzzzzzzzz
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by JaysfanDL on Jan 30, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Noooo, I read this in economics class only to hear about what we're learning.
Go awayy
"And I'm like forget Yuuuuuu"
Huh?
Those three things are all part of the most valuable foregone alternative . . . by not signing Oswalt, the Jays save the roster spot, give innings to youngsters, and save a bunch of cash.
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
I'm almost certain that isn't correct
Technically speaking anyway. All the benefits of not attending University are salary from work you could be doing, time for travelling, no exams etc. but by definition only the most valuable one is the “oppurtunity cost”
I think you could group the baseball benefits into one, but with cash it becomes a gray area
by Aidin on Jan 30, 2012 12:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
For anyone in a Commerce/Economics/B-admin program
I realize that was was an extremely cheesy example
by Aidin on Jan 30, 2012 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And here's a legitimate one
It’s mostly a linkdump
http://marginalrevolution.com/
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Opportunity cost
Includes anything of value, financial and non-financial. The ability to give some else a roster spot is part of the opportunity cost (some one else would make some contribution, the roster spot is something scarce), the innings pitched could go to someone else who would put up some performance, and the cask likewise could go elsewhere.
In more simple terms
Are you trying to say the oppurtunity cost is the combination of all oppurtunities forgone, or that all of the things you just ran off would qualify as “one” alternative?
by Aidin on Jan 30, 2012 1:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The opportunity cost of a decision includes all of the costs as measured by the value of the next best alternative) foregone as a result of that decision.
In this case, the decision to sign a pitcher means salary which could go elsewhere (the opportunity cost of this would be the value of giving the money to other players, or any other uses – even sticking it in a bank account and keeping the interest); innings would could go elsewhere and a roster spot which could be elsewhere. Each of these flow out the same decision, so the opportunity cost is the sum of the value difference between the next best alternative and Oswalt
The opportunity cost would be the sum of all those things you listed
You would then compare that with the increase in future earnings and happiness you gain by going to University, as well as the personal benefits associated with completing a degree. If your opportunity cost of going to University is greater than not going to University, then you should probably not go to University (which is actually true for a quite a few people who do go to University, unfortunately).
by Playoffs!!!!1 on Jan 30, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
Aidin, I think what you originally were referring to, were mutually exclusive opportunity costs. If by saving a roster spot, we couldn’t give time to our youngsters, then we would have to make that distinction. But because all three of those examples were all inclusive with one another, they can be combined into one opportunity cost.
@VagabondBansal
Yes
You’re right, my scope was too narrow. Apologies to benk
by Aidin on Jan 30, 2012 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not completely right
because roster spot and salary savings aren’t completely mutually exclusive. ie, the roster spot isn’t of value unless you put someone in it, which costs money.
so I’d hang on to that point and keep arguing.
Just to elaborate
Close enough to mutally exclusive than from an analytical point of thinking about the opportunity costs, it’s fair to treat them as mutally exclusive. In real life, very few things are ever completely mutally exclusive.
That's pretty semantic
as it’s highly unlikely that filling that roster spot would cost anywhere near what it would cost to sign Oswalt (particularly if they filled it with someone like Hechavarria, who is on a major league contract)
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Yeah
That’s why I said to jessef the cash is a grey area. That’s the part that’s a little misleading to me
Well, thanks for getting my brain somewhat back into econ mode after the break guys
I think you're still looking at it oversimplistically
The cash, itself, is not the grey area. The grey area is actually the overlap between the roster spot, the innings, and the cash.
To wit: the Jays could:
1) fill the roster spot with Hechavarria, save everything it would cost to acquire Oswalt and have all those innings available to the youngsters;
2) fill the roster spot with AAAA depth, save almost everything it would cost to acquire Oswalt, but lose some of those innings;
or 3) fill the roster spot with someone like Edwin Jackson, who would save them no money over Oswalt but would likely provide better performance.
In essence, the opportunity cost of signing Oswalt is the sum total of their best course of action — whether that be signing Jackson (no appreciable cash savings but possibly better usage of the roster space) or replacing him with AAAA depth (huge cash savings but likely worse use of the roster space).
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
Ok
it’s really not worth arguing over. I assume we can agree that the opportunity cost the Jays would incur by signing Oswalt would have been the loss of flexibility of some combination of payroll, roster, and innings usage.
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
I don't disagree with your statement
… but Oswalt takes away innings and I don’t see him as the missing piece to get us in this year. May be a player like him fits more for 2013/2014/2015, but not this year.
It obviously makes little sense to him.
"Subdue the enemy without fighting" ~ Sun Tzu
but he can be traded for pieces, likely
and there isn’t actually a huge chance that we’ll be scrambling to get Drabek, McGowan, Cecil and maybe Carreno, Hutch and McGuire innings, though it’s possible
Nah..
even if we gave him a no-trade he probably wants to be close to his home, hence Texas and St.Louis
In AA we trust.
Eh? He’d fit perfectly with us on a oner. I can understand why he didn’t though… we’re not close to home, we’re not favorites for a playoff spot, we’re not a good location to build value, and then there’s the whole hard turf business (although I don’t know how much that would play into a decision). Too bad it would have been nice to have him.
Ah well, nothing ventured nothing gained.
Obligatory "Boo...Hiss.."
But seriously, this shouldn;t have been a surprise. If Oswalt was going to take a one-year deal, it made sense going to a team fully built to win this year, and in a better pitcher’s park than Rogers Centre.
Winning team and close to his home in one of the Gulf Coast states
Obviously, the ballpark isn’t ideal. And it’s not like teams don’t know that the Ballpark in Arlington is a launching pad
Good move by Oswalt
In following his example I’ve emailed Natalie Portman and informed her I no longer have intentions of dating her.
by T_Mizz on Jan 30, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
The difference here: the Jays and Oswalt are at least in the same league
BOOM.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Unfortunately for that joke,
Roy Oswalt has spent his entire career in the National League
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by jessef on Jan 30, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I was refering to the Major League as in MLB.
How would you have worded it?
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
There aren't any better ways that I can think of
But either way, the fact still remains that it is unfortunate for the joke. I laughed though, if its any consolation.
@VagabondBansal
As vagabond says above
It was a good joke, just unfortunate that Oswalt’s played in the NL
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
I think any way of clarifying it would make the joke a lot worse,
as Vagabond says above. It made me laugh as well, for what that’s worth.
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Anyone going to the State of the Franchise tonight?
Be nice to get a written review.
Default question for AA and Beeston: “How much did you bid on Dravish?”
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 11:18 AM EST reply actions
I am
I went last year, too. I thought of writing it up but never found time and most of the MSM writers are there and report on it anyway.
The best part was when Roberto Alomar referred to Alex Anthopolous as “a work alcoholic”
Take some notes/photos and u could be a star.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
A star Bluebird Banterer of course.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
A BIGGER star.
There’s no crying in baseball(blogging)!
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought there was a lot of crying in baseball blogging
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by JaysfanDL on Jan 30, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was crying in Hugo's Mom's basement (offline).
don’t ask…
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Does hugo's mom have an online basement?
That would be interesting
I actually asked AA a question suggested by Tom last year
and got a typical, savvy, AA-style evasive response. Sam Cosentino, who was moderating the panel discussion, remarked that my/Tom’s question was a particularly good one, the only time he made that comment during the evening.
If anyone has suggestions for questions, I’ll pick the best one and make sure it gets asked. And it won’t be “Fielder WTF?!?!?!” — about a million others will ask that question.
There's a million things I'd love to ask AA (or have asked)
But frankly, without a vial of truth syrum, it’s not really even worth asking.
if you suggest one, I'll ask it in the Q+A and let you know what non-answer I receive
or you could just make wild accusations like one woman did last year. She went into a long tirade about how Juan Rivera was a bad signing because he had once stolen Derek Jeter’s baseball glove when he played for the Yankees. She spent some time admonishing AA for acquiring a player with such poor character and saying he should have done his homework on potential signings.
She was then informed that the player involved in that story was Ruben Rivera, not Juan.
She was right that Rivera was a bad signing, but that wasn’t the reason.
by SuckaMD on Jan 30, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope she's there this year.
Can you record that?
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
That is hilarious. Personally I would never step foot in Toronto again if I did something like that but maybe she is a really crazy person.
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I think she said she had been a season ticket holder since '77
so she might get some leeway
Well, you could just read an adbridged version of Steve Buffery's article
I’d want to know how the approach to the draft will change with the new CBA. Though that’s 100% certain to elicit a non-answer. Actually, I’d be upset if it did get a real answer.
I’d also ask when he’s going to sign Jorge Soler (if you pose it that way, you might catch him off guard, lol)
the question I asked last year
was about which specific international free agents AA was targeting. I don’t want to become typecast in my question-asking role. I need to diversify.
The draft question is a good one, though.
Can you please ask Beeston:
Why won’t he wear socks?
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I've wondered the same thing for years
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Ask him. I bet you get big laughs...
either that or an escort out of RC.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Probably both
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There are a few things I wouldn’t mind knowing the non-answer for.
1: Was there been any talk of division realignment involving the Jays in the CBA talks (it seems weird that Detroit and Toronto are in different divisions)? Barring that any talk of adapting a balanced schedule?
2: He’s remarked several times about needing to be in the position where that one player puts them “over the top” maybe ask for more precise definition of what that position is (i.e. standings at the deadline, number of wins etc. etc.).
… and the one that you might get a semi-actual answer for.
3: Jays staff have repeatably said that Las Vegas has a negative effect on player (specifically pitcher) development. Are the Jays attempting to find a new location for their AAA affiliate and if so is there a desired ETA on that.
I like the AAA comment
since that may actually be an answerable question. #2 won’t get anything resembling a straight answer and I think other people will ask some variation of it, anyway. Given that I haven’t heard any rumours about the Jays being involved in realignment strategies, I think #1 is far more of a speculative question that lends itself to the simple answer of “no,” so I’d be most inclined to go with #3.
I really like the the first question
But the third question he can’t answer….all those clubs are under contractual obligations to other teams, until those deals expire, and any specific indication of interest would be tampering and contractual interference. Of course, he can generically say something about looking for a closer affiliate, but that might also damage relations with Las Vegas
In all probability no one will get a straight answer to any question they ask but the act of asking the question will at least get him to address the topic. I just hope people ask the hard questions, the MSM is going to ask the easy ones anyways so why burn one on a gimme.
Right, I understand
I’m just saying, theres absolutely no chance of getting a tangible answer to that one publically, because he could get in trouble with MLB for tampering.
fair enough
I think the new CBA-draft strategy is the #1 question so far, but Alex would have to evade that or else risk giving away his ninja tricks
Right
As I said, I see him evading anything substantiative anyway, but the affiliate question won;t even get a non-answer, it’ll just get a “we can’t comment on that but our lease is up after this year, as are a number of others, and we’ll evaluate the situation then”
Here’s a thought though – word whatever you ask in a way that might catch him off-guard. Something like:
“You did a great job exploiting the old CBA to rebuild the farm system. What are some of the things you see in the new CBA which will allow you to continue doing this”.
This way, he has to refute the premise of the question which could distract him enough to actually cough up some useful information. Porbably not, but you never know
“We all hear about d’Arnaud, Gose and Marisnick (the top 10) but what are 5 under the radar prospects in the lower levels that fans should be getting excited for”
we (on BBB) already know that answer he would give
Syndergaard, Nicolino, Norris, Knecht, Stilson, etc
Fine ask who is the one player no one has ever heard of that has the best chance to come out of nowhere this year.
My guess is Johnathan Berti. I like him.
The answer would still be Syndergaard, Nicolino, Norris, Knecht, Stilson. He’ll just assume that most people havn’t heard much of the low-A/Rookie League guys (and he’d likely be right).
If you ask him which of the Bluefield/Vancouver guys no one has ever heard of that has the best chance to come out of nowhere this year then you might get an offbeat answer.
Working… doyou think they will put it on the internets?
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it's on the Sportsnet site
If BBBers are going to be watching, I’ll have to disguise my voice so I don’t give up my secret internet identity
Just show up in your O R scrubs -mask on.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a surgeon
though I do have scrubs, but I don’t really like to wear them.
O Rn't you?
SeewhatIdidthere?
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Take dead aim on the rich boys
get them in the crosshairs and take them down.
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LET'S LIVE BLOG ALL THE INTERNETS!
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you mean this?
That’s a lady
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
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PRETTY
BlueJays Blue Jays-Official
RT @joeybats19 Proud to announce I will be on the Canadian cover of @PlayStation #MLB12TheShow
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why isn't he on all the covers of the game?
who is on the US cover?
It would be pretty funny if it was Joey Votto
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by JaysfanDL on Jan 30, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The jersey really is beautiful.
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I like the shot in the ad
where they peer into the Jays’ dugout (focusing on a rendering of what I assume is John Farrell). I think the player stretching in front of virtuaFarrell is Henderson Alvarez, with his sport goggles and everything.
I wish someone other than 2K sports would make a baseball game for Xbox….
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by Redonred on Jan 30, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Their exclusive contract finishes after this season, iirc
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Epic bat flip woulda been sweet. But the jersey was my favourite part.
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A stare down of all of the customers buying the game would have been cool.
"And I'm like forget Yuuuuuu"
he looks really pissed
But the uniform looks great.
shameless promotion
I did up a quick fanpost about the Bautista MLB12:TS ad in the link. Check it out.
/lookatmeeee!
I bet the Clevelands are devastated.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They must be devastated...
they have not got any big name free agents this year. Is Charlie Sheen looking for work? Maybe they can put him back in an Idians uniform.
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