2012 State Of The Franchise: Live Blog
This morning, the Usher of the Black Rod Blue Bat knocked on the doors of Bluebird Banter, and a message was delivered by him as follows:
Members of Bluebird Banter, His Excellency the General Manager desires the attendance of this honourable Blog, at six-and-a-half hours past noon, in front of their computers at BlueJays.com.
President Paul Beeston, General Manager Alex Anthopoulos, and Manager John Farrell are expected to address fans (read: season ticket holders) of the Blue Jays tonight in the annual State Of The Franchise Address (or Speech From The Throne as it is known in Canada) at the Rogers Centre. I assume that my invitation was lost in the mail (again!).
The doors open at 5:15 pm and the event formally starts at 5:30, but the broadcast will not begin until 6:30. I hope that the hour gap is sufficient for those invited to get through the buffet, get lubricated by the open bar, and settle down in their seats.
Once the broadcast starts, We'll be here to live blog the event, but before that feel free to chat and relay interesting tidbits from insiders that appear on your Twitter feed. The State of the Franchise itself is actually more in a "town hall" question-and-answer format rather than a formal address, so there should be plenty of fun fan questions to keep us entertained. Oh also, our friend Buck Martinez is hosting the party.
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Whats the point?
These always seem so exciting but he never says anything!! We are always left ‘reading between the lines’. I wish he’d answer questions about things. Even if its from a year ago (so the statute of limitations passes).
The point is, it's January
There’s been no baseball for 3 months, no Jays for 4. There won’t be any Spring Training ball for 5 weeks, real baseball for 2 months. So we’re left with this – beggars can’t be choosers
by MjwW on Jan 30, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey try not a ruin this for the rest of us.
Realtime thread=funtime thread.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
You guys may not feel like talking about this (again), but I still can’t make up my mind whether AA’s (lack of) moves this off-season was reasonable. I know that many (most?) of you think that the more-or-less status quo is okay at this point in time. Picking up players like Latos, Darvish, Fielder, etc. would have been too expensive, either in terms of prospects or money; picking up players like Oswalt would have taken away innings from young players who need to develop; and allowing young prospects to develop is better than trading them away since, if they improve, they are worth more in trade (MjwW’s point). I get all this. But I can’t help feeling that the Jays will have to make some moves at some point — even as good as the farm system is, they will not win by simply waiting for the youngsters to develop. I don’t think that Rogers is cheap — I think that AA has chosen not to overspend. But I also think that it will be necessary to overspend to acquire the players needed to win. Do you agree with this, and do you think that AA will be able to do this when the time comes? It seems to me that this time is very soon. If it wasn’t this off-season, it’s this coming year and next off-season at the latest.
It depends what you mean by overspend
Teams that are close to the playoffs get larger revenue increase per added win than they do when they’re further away. In other words, the cost of vuying a win in th FA market might be uneconomical when you’re at 75-80 wins, but economical at 85-90 wins.
At some point, it will certainly be necessary to add free agents, I completely agree. You look at the guys brought in the WS years – Molitor, Morris, Winfield, etc – and they supplemented a wonderful homegrown core.
I think AA will be able to spend, the bigger question is whether he’s be able to spend reasonably effectivly. For example, a good argument can be made that Epstein in Boston didn’t do a good job with FA spending at all, though the jury is still somewhat out. I really dont know how AA will do in the FA market.
I disagree on your window though – I don’t think it’s necessary next year or the year after. I think the talent will dictate that. If they’re close, and there’s an upgrade, he’ll do it. The ways the far is set up, there will be waves of talent that should be reaching the bigs from late 2012 through 2015. That’s a big window
and that, to further your point
really implies a window of (roughly) 2013-2018, maybe? assuming our young talent develops like it should and our young prospects don’t flame out at an unprecedented rate
I dunno
I’m not sure there really is a window…the goal as I see it, is to build a winner, grow revenues, grow payroll, and build a sustainable winner relying on higher revenues.
What I mean
Is that the window to build the winner is fairly wide, such that it doesn;t need to be rushed with FA signings if there are a few setbacks
I dunno, I get (or at least I think I get) what “the plan” is so on the one hand I get what they are doing (or not doing as the case may be) on the other hand they’ve had (arguably) the best hitter in MLB almost miraculasly fall into their lap and at an extremely favorable rate but he isn’t getting any younger. So I kind of wonder if maybe “the plan” shouldn’t be accelerated to take advantage of that. I don’t want the Jays to end wasting Bautista.
On the whole, I agree with you. There was an article in the Tao of Stieb blog several months ago in which he noted that, years ago, the Houston Oilers tried to go for it while Earl Campbell was playing for them. But the attempt failed — they didn’t win it all, and for years afterwards they didn’t even make the playoffs. To make a connection with the Jays, they shouldn’t make moves just to take advantage of Bautista. I’m not sure about this. Unlike MjwW above, I don’t think there are going to be waves of good players coming up, particularly with the new CBA. I can easily see that, if AA waits too long, and doesn’t make real moves, Bautista will get old and the Jays will have missed their opportunity. I think the idea of a window from 2013-2018 is pie in the sky.
by DavidLondon on Jan 30, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm stuck on a very slow bus
Might miss the beginning of the show :-(
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 6:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
damn i wish they had CC
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 30, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Buck's bringing back some nice memories.
Can’t wait for April.
Where can I watch this
I live in thorold/st catharines and have basic cable. I live the life a student and it suckss because he only have tsn and not another sports channels. Where can I watch this via Internet
by na10va on Jan 30, 2012 6:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
link in the post!
http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=6261176&c_id=tor
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 30, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
“Je m’appelle Rickey Romero”
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
my God Beest has socks on!
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 6:35 PM EST reply actions
Not socks
Actually a leotard
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
there was some talk before, 10 mins worth
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 30, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
yes thats right, im trying to read lips
i’ve had 0 luck =(
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 30, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing significant
Beeston wants to build a sustainable winner, understands some of the frustration, ho hum.
I really want Eric Thames to win LF in ST
Why? Because he went on that winter tour and he seems like a nice guy.
All I hear from Travis Snider is the dessert he had last night. Unfair? Maybe.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 6:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
A LOT of dessert
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I met Travis at Wilfrid Laurier last year during the Winter Tour.
Couldn’t meet a nicer guy.
Don't believe the twitter
Snider, after all, is the guy who came up with major defensive question marks, worked on his speed and became a plus defensive left-fielder, potentially a backup centre-fielder, and a stolen base threat.
Thames is great and all, but Snider has definitely shown a great work ethic.
Fruedian slip?
Martinez says 20,000 giveaways this year, so that everyone has a chance to get one. Hope they expect higher than that nonetheless
used to be 1st 10K fans gut swag
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'll read next time.
I promise
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
So how does this work?
Do all sorts of media type ask AA questions?
by craig in calgary on Jan 30, 2012 6:46 PM EST reply actions
good lord...Buck says he's going to ask some questions...his first one takes 10 minutes to ask
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He brought up the P word!
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
It's worse than at a political debate
Where people usually have 5 minute prefaces/rants before asking a question
My god. Prince does not play a great firstbase
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how long is this expected to be.
do i have a chance to catch anything around 7 30…
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With these windbags...
probably just warmed up by then
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
yay
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 30, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
awww ...
I missed the crazy ramblings of Buck Martinez.
Buck is talking again....
They are going to have to call this ‘state of the martinez’
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That was a 47 second question
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yuuuuuuu
What was the bid????
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 6:51 PM EST reply actions
Let's cover more old ground
Yu Darvish. Maybe trying to pre-empt the fans from asking angry questions about it
Enough of Buck please. It is the state of the franchise, not the Buck, right?
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Alex
We didn’t forsee going after players that wanted long term deals or would want huge contracts
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 6:54 PM EST reply actions
Gives himself a C
I think he’s a bit harsh on himself. He got better after June.
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Farrell looks weird in a suit
Maybe it’s just being used to seeing him in unifor, but it strikes me he’s more natural in the uniform
Farrell
After year 1 I give myself a C
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Actually he said 2-3 times in next 5 years….
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
That means 2014
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other 9 teams?
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I didn’t think the extra wild card was confirmed at all at this point
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Prince Burn
1st angry fan!
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:02 PM EST reply actions
But he got booed!!
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
AA looks annoyed
This might be the last SoftF ever
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
You mean to tell me that scientists found a vaccine for Soft Fever?
I’m excited for every player in the league to give 110 percent next year!
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Sounds like he didn't want to DH in the AL
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Comment about the socks
think the first question was SuckaMD?
That would be amazing
didn’t catch his name
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
I hate guys that start off saying 'I won't be a fan anymore'
go home then
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by Tom Dakers on Jan 30, 2012 7:03 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
this..
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Hi, I'm a fariweather douche, I mean fan...
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
He’ll be back.
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
What a joke
I only see one trade for Santos…look at everyone else, like Boston…who only got Bailey. idiot
the ying, then the yang
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not worth living in Toronto..
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pretty easy to “examine” anything
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Kinda
Less colour variations (due to the constant rolling/unrolling), and filled-in infield.
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
It’s always greener on the other side?
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
What happened. I just went dark. Anyone else?
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:12 PM EST reply actions
too bad Alex didn't answer the 'grass' question, since he said they are high on Canadians
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by Tom Dakers on Jan 30, 2012 7:13 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Is his name Albert??
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
He changed his name to Buck Martinez?
Is that his porno name?
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
My god. Please don't talk about hustle and heart
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Go President Farrell!
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This guy seems like a douche...
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by Bargain D on Jan 30, 2012 7:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
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Tough question
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
But how he started was kind of douche like
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My kids don't except mediocrity
except in spelling
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
tuned in just in time
this guy is a genius.
“stop settling for mediocrity. be the team we were in the World Series day”. yeah bro, it’s that easy
Hey!!!!! Not fair.
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Probably is. Loafs fans like these drive me crazy.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 30, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
sounds like someone wanted Alvarez
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What is this guy on about?
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:22 PM EST reply actions
Add 1 to team Anthopoulos
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We don't have a natural rival?
Gosh, I thought there was a pretty good rivalry with Arizona and Florida
I just read about that earlier today on bleacher report
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1039985-toronto-blue-jays-the-need-for-a-full-fledged-rival
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I saw you posted that
I didn’t read it, for obvious reasons
by benk on Jan 30, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if you keep reading bleacher report we can't help you
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by Tom Dakers on Jan 30, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just tolerate my addiction ok?
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Shooting yorself is less painful then reading bleacher report
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God please no. I will not go to any game where the pitcher hits
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hahaha Buck
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WHere all the ladies at??
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:29 PM EST reply actions
or kinda pre-1950's?
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, the only reason I’d want to go to anything related to the Blue Jays is to see JPA.
by leaflover4ever on Jan 30, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Who else got scared for a second when you heard him say
“We added Kevin Cash…”
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by Gerse on Jan 30, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
when my girlfriend got a shirt
all they had was JPA (best looking) and Bautista (best player in teh world)
Chiper Jones World!
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 30, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
oh good, someone that thinks a 2B that gets on at a .360 rate is doing a bad job
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Yes he accepted arb. because he didn't want to be here...
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Because the folks we traded away got into the World Series, ergo we lost the trade.
What’s hard to understand
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
you know, I am so happy with the members on our site.
If I had to deal would these folks I’d quit
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Hugo is a very busy guy at various times.
He’s just been too busy lately. He’ll be back
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Thank you Farrell
This makes me happy to here our brass thinks the “right” way
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My beef is with Rogers Centre beef
The roasts are always so overcooked….
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
There are no UFA's in baseball...
There all UFA’s
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there are*
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herp, I'm dump
They are :)
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I bet this is SuckaMD
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:41 PM EST reply actions
Is it just me or a lot of people saying I have a question for each panel member
and then they only get to ask 1
awww
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 30, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Except for the basketball part
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
pick up the e-mail!
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lol
yes laughed at yours as well
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Assistant to the Assistant?
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'll call Paul Beeston to ask about the cold water in the 500 level bathrooms
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If nothing else
Martinez has a future career as bingo caller if the baseball broadcasting thing doesn;t work out
check out the Cosby sweater
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We missed you too
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
After this, it is clear that you don't need to take an IQ test to be a fan...
The Rasmus deal was a bad one? Come on. “In my house, we strive for the best”… what?
I liked AA’s response for the CBA question and his response abour Beltran etc.
Great job by AA tonight. Even a bigger fan after hearing him deal with these guys.
"Subdue the enemy without fighting" ~ Sun Tzu
and now.. Buble
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its over
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Jan 30, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s available for re-watching
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thought I saw something about it earlier.. I assume on bluejays.com
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I need to re-watch some of it. I was a bit distracted reading Jose Canseco’s twitter feed….
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Also it's finished
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jan 30, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Tom?
Mind if I send you some questions regarding your spring training experience and planing last year. The fam is planing on going down this year for the first time.
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When do you plan to go?
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by Minor Leaguer on Jan 30, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
March break (week of March 12)
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Spring Training
We’re headed back for a 3rd spring – Mar 5-15. Glad to share experiences also.
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I'm going down with my dad
A full week of golfing, watching spring training games, and drinking. Best week ever!

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