Edwin Jackson: 1 year deal?

by cjcl590 on Feb 1, 2012 1:46 PM EST

Would Edwin Jackson be a good 1 year pickup? He is an innings guy (been around 200 innings the last 3 years), throws fairly hard (avg 94.5 mph FB) which is important in the AL East where you need to miss bats to succeed, and could be a solid #2-3 starter. His peripherals are in some cases better than Brandon Morrow. A 3.8WAR guy at around $7-8MM/year would seem to be a great pickup for the Jays?

Yes it would eat into the innings of our younger pitchers who might come up, but do you really believe the Jays can win with Henderson Alvarez being asked to throw 180 innings (they will have to cap his innings in Sept) or even Kyle Drabek/Dustin McGowan being counted for a major contribution. Brett Cecil should rebound, but he's probably a solid #4. Jackson is a bargain pick-up if you can get him without making a long-term commitment which would stunt the growth of pitchers such as Drew Hutchinson, Deck McGuire etc who will be ready to contribute in 2013.

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I'm all for it

But I don’t think if he’s taking a one-year deal he’s coming to Toronto. That said, apparently he’s got 3 year offers and I can’t imagine why he isn;t taking one these, assuming there’s a reasonable AAV on the table.

by MjwW on Feb 1, 2012 1:54 PM EST reply actions

well

I don’t really see any of those offers being taken back given the dearth of FA pitching on the market, so those three-year deals are just fallbacks for him in all likelihood

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by benk on Feb 1, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions

Right

But what I’m saying is, his preferences seems to be 1 year > 3 years, and that makes no sense to me. He basically is what he is, this year was a weak FA pitching class whereas next year’s is probably stronger, and he’s just a year older next year while absorbing injury risk.

by MjwW on Feb 1, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions

Next years FA market for starters is going to be a lot deeper, which is why all the lament over AA not signing someone this year is a little silly. Unless he ends up in a real pitchers park, he’s going to have trouble besting a quality three year deal next year.

by dexfarkin on Feb 1, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions

oh

I didn’t catch that meaning of what you said

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by benk on Feb 1, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions

I wouldn't mind this

His peripherals look pretty solid, and WARs of 3.6, 3.8 and 3.8 are nothing to scoff at. I wouldn’t mind a 3 year deal for about 8-9 million per.

by yescobar on Feb 1, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions

I don't think that's possible

but I would love that

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by benk on Feb 1, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions

Right

I heard he was asking for 6/60 so maybe 11-12 per is more realistic

by yescobar on Feb 2, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah, the only way he'd sign a one year deal is to get better offers next year

no way he signs it with the Jays, facing AL East bats, while pitching at Rogers.

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by Tom Dakers on Feb 1, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions

I saw someone say on Twitter

if a player has several multi-year offers, but is trying to sign a one year deal, he’s probably trying to sign with a contender

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Feb 1, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions

pretty sound logic

hes not coming our way lol

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by Bowling_Guy25 on Feb 1, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions

I’d imagine he goes to Petco or a park like that, or a team that’s heavily favored to win. Not going to build much value pitching in sandboxes, to the best lineups in baseball.

by ABsteve on Feb 1, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions

I'm happy with our rotation the way it is

I believe we have a chance to be competitive this year, but thats just it. A chance. Our chances get even slimmer if theres only one wildcard this year. Jackson alone won’t be enough to get us over the hump

by STZ513 on Feb 1, 2012 2:27 PM EST reply actions

If he’d come here on a oner absolutely I’d want him (assuming there are no trade restrictions in the contract).

Frankly I don’t see why he’d only take (or is looking for) a one year deal unless he anticipates cashing in big with the teams that lose out on the big arms up next year. And in that case I don’t see why he’d choose Toronto unless the dollars were significantly higher enough for him to offset the negatives of pitching in the AL east. So yeah, I want him but I’m not holding my breath.

by Parallex on Feb 1, 2012 4:12 PM EST reply actions

You forgot the most important part: He’s a former Blue Jay!!

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by Cam Oegema on Feb 1, 2012 7:29 PM EST reply actions

Yeah, that was an awesome 20 minutes last year!

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by durga2112 on Feb 1, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions

I think the whole problem is that we were more excited when he left…

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by Cam Oegema on Feb 1, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions

What about...

picking up John Lannan for a nondescript prospect? Ground ball pitcher, lefty…solid #‘s though doesn’t miss a lot of bats, at least he puts the ball on the ground.

by bunner on Feb 2, 2012 2:00 PM EST reply actions

he's not all that good

as a depth move he would be okay, but otherwise, whatever

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Feb 2, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions

for $5MM

its a little pricey

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by Vagabond13 on Feb 2, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions

Natinals got him

blaaaaah

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Feb 2, 2012 2:06 PM EST reply actions

8-12MM, 1 year deal

Assuming he has 3/30 on the table, I’d of taken that. Don;t understand what’s happening there.

Also, Washington maybe gaind nice comp picks out of this. They offer him a qualifying offer next year around 12-13MM, and either get compensation or get him on a one-year deal again (no risk). Nice move.

by MjwW on Feb 2, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions

yeah

poo, we should’ve yelled at him until he took that contract with us

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by benk on Feb 2, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions

since he didn't sign with us we should boo him

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Feb 2, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions

also that Lyle Overbay fella

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by benk on Feb 2, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions

Kyle

His 2011 wRC+ is 26

by Pikachu on Feb 2, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions

A top 4 of Strasburg, Gonzalez, Zimmerman, Jackson could be really good. Natinals could be a sleeper.

by icemanDan on Feb 2, 2012 5:20 PM EST reply actions

The NL East is looking respectable. Braves, Nationals and Phillies all have good rotations, the Marlins have a decent looking offense; pretty much the only disaster is the Mets.

by dexfarkin on Feb 3, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions

Hmm

I wonder which is the tougher division: AL East or NL East?

I still think it’s the AL East but the gap has narrowed considerably.

by siggian on Feb 3, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions

AL East by a huge margin due to monstrous offenses, but I’d say in pitching, the NL East may have the edge.

by dexfarkin on Feb 3, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions

I'd say NLE has more than just an edge

ALE rotations really aren’t all that good. Rays’ should be pretty good, but I don’t think top-5 (they were actually only like 15th in starter fWAR last season). Yankees’ isn’t good outside of CC, Boston’s isn’t good outside of Lester and even he dropped off a lot last year from ‘09 and ’10. ours might be pretty decent – I wouldn’t bet on it being great, but there’s quite a bit of upside here. Baltimore’s is a mess.

Phillies’ is just filthy, Braves’ should be pretty good (plus Teheran), Nats’ looks pretty nice, and the Marlins have JJ and Nolasco could maybe catch up with his peripherals (but I wouldn’t bet on that either)

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by benk on Feb 4, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions

CC, Pineda and Kuroda I think matches up pretty evenly against Washington, as does Beckett, Lester , and some combination of Dice-K, Buchholz, Lackey, Bard, etc with the Braves. I’d put the Marlins and the Jays at about the same level, and Baltimore and the Mets suck equally. I think what tips the scales more than anything is the Phillies. Lee, Halladay and Hamels just overpower any starting three anywhere.

by dexfarkin on Feb 4, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions