Possible trade target at deadline
by STZ513 on Feb 15, 2012 1:30 PM EST
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PrintDuring this offseason we've seen AA sign plenty of quality relievers on short term deals. I can't help but compare this to last year when we did the same, then flipped some of them to acquire Rasmus. If we do another deadline trade, where would you want the upgrade to be?
So I was just thinking about how AA has used the last 2 deadlines to acquire major upgrades at positions of weakness in Yunel Escobar and Colby Rasmus. Escobar had a great first full season with the Blue Jays and we're all hoping the same will happen with Rasmus. Assuming AA again makes a similar trade at the deadline, what position would you want to be upgraded? (I know some of the positions fairly are secure at the moment, but just want to see what everyone thinks)
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None of the above
I want to see him get the best package available. You start thinking in terms of targeting positions, you limit the return
by MjwW on Feb 15, 2012 2:06 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Maybe another outfielder
Thats the only position that may need a serious upgrade if Snider and Thames fail. Lind is at worst an acceptable 1B but could be upgraded.
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by Beer Leaguer on Feb 15, 2012 2:28 PM EST via Android app reply actions
only a Sith deals in absolutes
the truth lies somewhere in between
by benk on Feb 15, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Haha, the Force is strong with this one
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My definition of acceptable:
If he is the worst position starter on our team, we are doing something right.
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by Beer Leaguer on Feb 15, 2012 3:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
True
At least we don’t have Daric Barton at 1B though.
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by Beer Leaguer on Feb 15, 2012 5:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I don't think there was anything unintentional about it.
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And if he's the worst position starter on our team
he’s probably the one we should upgrade, as per the poll.
Last year he wasn't though
But this year there is no way the outfield will be as bad.
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by Beer Leaguer on Feb 16, 2012 12:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think Lind is going to have a big year, personally. His core mechanics are solid and he’s got another year of conditioning under his belt. If he can avoid injury and keep his swing consistant, I think his 2009 numbers are very replicable.
we thought that last year
and 2010. Do you have reason to believe that 2012 is more likely to be 2009 than the last 2 seasons? I hope you do, but Im skeptical.
He was epic bad in 2010. But last year, he was hot for a solid stretch before going down. I think there’s been a combination of injuries, positional changes and his own bad habits involved in the last two years. Can I make any kind of statistical argument? Not in the slightest. But, I look at the core mechanics of his swing and his plate approach, and I still see a very good bat there.
Hope you are right. At the very least he should be able to play the solid side of a platoon, if healthy.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
I hope I’m right too. The Jays need solid offense out of 1B, and this is likely Lind’s last real shot at being a full time player.
I think Lind is going to fight for his life this year
If he stays healthy he will make us believe in him again.
thisrighthere!
by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Feb 17, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like Morales
should not be tooooo expensive with him being out so long with that leg injury and the comeback uncertainty + excess of 1B/DH in the angels roster.
I am looking forward to watching both Trumbo and Cabrera play 3rd this year hahaha (or how long they stay there)
by llello.loves.ace on Feb 15, 2012 2:46 PM EST reply actions
Funny, the last time Morales had a good season was the last time Lind did
Actually, Lind was just a tick better than Morales in ‘09 at the plate. I’d say the odds of both being that productive again probably favour Lind due to Morales’ injury history.
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Injury history?
That’s not fair. Neither is calling ‘09 Morales’ last good season. Morales broke a bone or 3 in a walkoff homerun celebration. He was having a really solid offensive season, best on LAA, hitting clean-up. It’s not fair to call him injury prone. As long as that freak injury has healed up, he should be good to go and keep building on the solid bat skills he was displaying before he went down.
I'd say it's fair if a guy can't play at all in the last two seasons to hold his injury history against him
I don’t get the love for Morales over Lind. Morales is injury prone and Lind is streaky but in their best season Lind was a bit better (better K and BB rates). Morales is only an upgrade if Lind never again reaches his ‘09 form, Morales can stay healthy and Morales hits like he did in ’09. I don’t think that’s likely.
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I'm not sure
But it seems like to me in order to be “injury prone” you’d have to face a few injuries. You could say the reason he was sidelined last season was because of a “second” injury, but really it was just complications from the first one. And that being pretty much a freak injury
If I had to choose between Morales and Lind, I’d choose Morales, but that’s just me. He put up a higher fWAR in 50 games before being injured than Lind did all of last season
The position really does not matter as much..
as the years under control do. Of course, a good 2b would be good, but since we are not going to contend this year (hopefully next year) we should trade for another player that is having relationship issues with the team.
In AA we trust.
Just waiting for Guillen to have a twitter war with Morrison
And AA will be there to give Miami a couple of RP for him.
by Psychotoad on Feb 15, 2012 4:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'll take whatever can be found
There are only ever one or two premium talents available at the deadline. It’s hard to see a young, elite 2B being available, for instance, however much that would fit the Jays’ lineup.
basically the point of this post was if you had to pick one position to upgrade, which would it be
I know we’ll take whatever upgrade we can get and years of control matter but I figured I’d try to keep things fairly simple
2B
Need somebody to replace KJ. He will be fa, and probably will get good drAft pick for him.
you think someone will sign him for 12M a year?
He’ll have to have a great season
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
I thought
it’s just that the Jays have to offer him a 1 year deal for ~12M. If he declines, it doesn’t matter what the AAV of his next contract is, the Jays get the pick either way.
This is correct
In practice though, if a player cannot get 12M on the open market, he is very likely to accept the offer.
by Playoffs!!!!1 on Feb 15, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, exactly
It’s a game theory exercise – you want the pick, but unless you want the player, you don’t want to offer unless you’re sure he’ll decline. And the only reason he’ll decline is if he can do better on the open market, in which case you wouldn’t him accepting.
I’m sure we can think of a number of scenarios where a player may in fact decline the 12/1 in search of a lower AAV but over more years. For example, a player in the twilight of his career may decline 12/1 and instead seek out something like 27/3, no?
Now I'm confused
Do we want KJ to accept arb? For me I rather have draft picks. I know JK is good but not 12M good. If he will likely to accept arb, then I would like AA trade him for a possible good prospect or a good player. Hmm.. let me think who would we possibly trade for KJ.
It's not arb anymore
It’s a qualifying offer. I think it really depends on how he does – if he has a bad year, no one’s going to give him, and we wouldn’t want to omake that qualifying offer in all probability because he’s accept and we’d be paying him $12M.
If he has a good year, say 3-4 WAR, I think he’d have a chance at something like 3/30M, but there’s still the draft pick thing, and teams might be really hesitant to give up a top 40 pick for KJ. But even then we’d have a 3/4 WAR 2B for 12M, which isn’t bad (and could always trade the contract too)
Ultimately, we want him to have a really good year. That’s how we’ll invariably maximize the asset value
I don't think so
I’m fairly sure that was only for this offseason, as a transitional measure from the old to new CBA. My understanding is under the new CBA, every free agent who receives a qualifying offer and declines it is the equivalent of a Type A under the old CBA (with no equivalent for Type B)
just looked it up
good news is now only teams in the top 10 have protected picks. Bad news, this makes it less likely KJ will be picked up by a team after being offered arbitration. Unless he absolutely bombs or gets ridiculously good I’m thinking he’ll be traded at the deadline, unless we are contending
not Lawrie
That would not be AA’s style. He would wait Votto will start his manger/teammate/organization and pick him up with EE or Lind. I wish..
I can understand not trading him
Personally I’d be fine with either way though.
ABout going back to Atlanta for a trade
Trade Snider, Lind and Hech for Hayward and a SP, move Bautista to First and Hayward plays RF.
Heyward would be a terrific buy low.
But they’d have no interest in Lind (because of Freeman), and it would take a lot more, I suspect.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
They could play Lind in LF
but you’re right, I don’t think the Braves go for that.
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