NEED ONE MORE PERSON FOR OUR FANTASY LEAGUE
by Pikachu on Feb 19, 2012 7:57 PM EST
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PrintSomeone (I think it was Minor Leaguer) mentioned a fantasy league style where the goal is to be the worst team in the league. I thought it was interesting, so I was thinking of setting up a league like that. I'm hoping to make it an auction-draft non-keeper, H2H format.
If anyone's interested, just put your email address in the comments or just email me at khpodo0201@yahoo.ca.
Planning on it being a 12 team league. Right now we've got benk, wuckfestern, aarne13, Rhinos, Gerse, jaysfan100, Hobbes, and me Still need 5 more people.
This is how the scoring will work (with a min. 20 IP per week, for now) (they are ALL subject to change):
| Batters Stat Category | Value |
|---|---|
| At Bats (AB) | 5.1 |
| Hits (H) | -12 |
| Doubles (2B) | -6.4 |
| Triples (3B) | -12.6 |
| Home Runs (HR) | -18 |
| Stolen Bases (SB) | -4.5 |
| Caught Stealing (CS) | 6 |
| Walks (BB) | -6 |
|
Hit By Pitch (HBP) Strikeouts (K) |
-6 1.65 |
| Pitchers Stat Category | Value |
| Innings Pitched (IP) | -1 |
| Saves (SV) | -1.75 |
| Home Runs (HR) | 14.5 |
| Walks (BB) | 4.5 |
| Hit Batters (HBP) | 4.5 |
| Strikeouts (K) | -2.5 |
|
Holds (HLD) Hits (H) |
-1.5 2.4 |
Using this scoring, the best (worst?) 2011 position players look like this:
and pitchers look like this:
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Dibs on Adam Dunn
Man who has four balls cannot walk
by Beer Leaguer on Feb 19, 2012 8:20 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I’d take Brian Tallet as the first pitcher and Betancourt as the hitter.
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is Brian Tallet going to get enough IP
to make him worth taking as the #1 pitcher?
quality over quantity….
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you try to make your team as bad as possible
but there would be minimum PA/IP limits
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
I think we're going to have do this in ESPN
Yahoo doesn’t allow me to set minimum # of AB/IP
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
Really?
I know when I used to be H2H ahoo leagues back 5 year ago, you could set a minimum number of innings or you fofeited each category
hmmm...
So we can have a min. IP limit, but no AB/PA limit… Maybe we should give negative points for per AB/PA?
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
I enjoy the name and the email.
I don't always have exams, but when I do they are DURING the Jays home opener.
Mike Napoli
Is the pick. It looks bad now, but AA knew what he was doing. He’ll under perform every expectation this year.
I play in a band too.
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but still get
a full season of ABs.
I play in a band too.
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I think I should make it so that the scoring is backwards
you get positive points for AB, CS, and for pitchers, HR, BB, and HBP. Everything else is negative points
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
Can someone help?
I have to set the scoring so that people don’t leave blank roster spots. The problem is that in the scoring system that we used in masterkembo’s league, even below-average or average performances would at least give out some positive value, which would be negative in ours.
Meaning that I’d have to give a higher incentive for giving AB and innings. I’ve changed the scoring a bit already, but I want to hear some opinions. Does the numbers look okay at the moment?
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
I'm trying to get my head around the incentives...
The goal is to have people pick awful players and get awful performances, but to also force people to go with merely bad performances versus leaving the spots blank. Let’s take an average-below average player…6K/9, 4BB/9, 1HR/9…per 9 innings, that pitcher accumulates 9(-4)6(-2)1(13)+4(3) = -23 points. So once you have your min 20 IP, you’d rather bench a bad pitcher than have him accumulate points, since it will likely be negative. I’d torque back the negative on IP…maybe to -1…this would make a bad pitcher around 0 points (slightly positive).
PS – will it be weekly roster setting? or daily? weekly could reduce perverse incentives, cause you have to make sure to get to your 20, and then once you pass that, you can’t just sit guys.
Likewise
That big negative number for saves means people will not pick closers at all…even if you pick a crappy one, the -5 for saves will be too much to overcome (this may be the goal – have us all pick crappy relievers and long men on crappier teams)
I dont' know about daily lineups
I don’t mind it, but isn’t it too much work for some people?
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
yeah
I just get bored. and fantasy sports is about making smart moves, not making the most moves, IMO
Every fantasy league I've ever been in with daily changes
(and it’s only a few) has ended up being a real gongshow.
Alright, I'm experimenting a little bit
Does this look alright for the worst hitters?
This is the formula I used:
(3*AB) + (-6.4*H) + (-3.1*2B) + (-6*3B) + (-10*HR) + (-3*BB) + (-3*HBP) + (-1.9*SB) + (5*CS)
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
I would add in K
Seems to me that Dunn + Wells should be higher…the reason Ichiro and Pierre lead the list is because they don’t strike out much, and they actually had much better seasons than Dunn+Wells
the problem with that is
then guys like Stubbs who strikes out a tone gets a lot of points
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
Yeah, this is a problem
I can get Dunn to be the worst (best?) player in the league, but Stubbs is right behind him.
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
The other thing to verify
Is if the totals for pitchers and hitters are roughly right vis-a-vis each other. For example, if the worst pitcher last year would only score 100, and worst batter 500, then hitters are probably too valued (completel hypothetical)
here's a revised one
formula = 3*((1.7*AB) + (-4*H) + (-2.8*2B) + (-4.2*3B) + (-6*HR) + (-2*BB) + (-2*HBP) + (-1.5*SB) + (2*CS) + (0.55*SO))
It’s a bit messy, but I like the results in this one.
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
with this method I get a rough average of 200 points per player
high of 816.15, low of -912.15 (wow)
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
If there's still room, I'm in
As for Yahoo vs ESPN: Yahoo has a pre-built format this year for exactly what you’re doing, you should take a gander to see how they incentivize suckage.
(I admit to not having read any of the previous comments, so it’s possible that that’s already been mentioned)
oh cool
hall of shame. The format’s nice, but they do have some silly stuff, like -100 for hitting for cycle. Maybe I could revise it a little?
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
yeah
they have Andrus and Starlin Castro as the two worst players last year. Should revise a little.
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
I likes generally what you had
Maybe tweak it, but it seemed roughly right – certainly the list it produced was good
And this is what I got for pitching
formula: = (-1*IP) + (-1.75*SV) + (2.4*H) + (14.5*HR) + (4.5*(BB+HBP)) + (-2.5*K) + (-1.5*HLD)
Avg. 216.87, high of 972.3, low of -167.8.
Ehhhhh. The results look okay but I’m ambivalent on the values.
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
If there's still room, I'm in
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
I'd be interested if there is still room.
I also just sent you an e-mail so you should have my address.
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Incase people are still looking for a normal one
go here
http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2012/2/15/2800086/another-fantasy-league-why-not#comments
Got bumped off the main page, but its still alive.
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Thanks Pikachu
I’m glad you’re following through—let me know how your league goes!
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one more rec to sticky it
might get more attention
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Feb 24, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Alright, since I don't think anyone else is signing up, we'll just go with an 8 team legue
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
planning on having a minimum of 20 IP per week (with 2 SP, 2 RP, and 4 P)
too high, too low, or just right?
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
DRB could use a member or two for our final league, also, if anyone sees this.
Please get back to me if interested. 10tm, h2h cats, possibly different than usual settings.
Cherington has taken off his pants and he’s shitting all over my hopes for 2012
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 10, 2012 12:31 PM CST
It's on ESPN.
We’d be glad to have you. If you don’t have an ESPN account, it’s super easy, but I think Pikachu is probably taken. My email is in my profile if you have any questions.
Cherington has taken off his pants and he’s shitting all over my hopes for 2012
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 10, 2012 12:31 PM CST
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