Bluebird Banter Top 50 Blue Jays Prospects: 21-25
As you can see, it's my turn again. Tom has done 46-50 and 31-35, while hugo did 41-45 and most recently 26-30. In my previous appearance I was given 36-40, and now I'm back with 21-25.
25. Moises Sierra, RF - We've been waiting for years for a Moises Sierra breakout season, and after missing almost all of 2010 through injury, it seemed to be happening for him in 2011. Over the first two months he struck out very little, hit for power and had a very good line-drive rate. Unfortunately, he couldn't keep it up, and he ended the season with a .277/.342/.436 line. This wasn't actually an improvement over his 2009 performance in Dunedin, when he hit .286/.359/.393. Since then, he's improved in the power department but he also struck out more and lowered his BABIP. Interestingly, since his LD% did go up, StatCorner's adjusted wOBA thinks Sierra should have had a .377 wOBA instead of a .354 figure. And it does look odd that Sierra hit 18 homers but just 19 doubles, despite such a high line-drive rate. It's quite possible Las Vegas turns Sierra into a monster, like it did with Thames and Lawrie, but even if it does, is there a spot for Sierra on the big league team? Sierra's outfield arm is very, very good, but I do wonder if his range is good enough, considering he's become quite a big guy.
24. Kevin Comer, RHP - Comer's quite the opposite of Sierra, in that we've got no pro data to work with and in that Comer is expected to be quite far away from the majors. Like Mark Biggs, who I did my best to profile in my previous piece, Comer was a highly rated potential draftee at the beginning of the 2011 season. Also like Biggs, Comer didn't pitch much at all in 2011, and when he did pitch he wasn't as good as in previous years. So Comer's value dropped, and it was believed he would probably go to Vanderbilt to play in college ball. Comer did sign, of course, and now the Jays have got another pitcher with a lot of potential in their ranks. Comer already throws low-90s, while scouts think he can add more velocity, and he also has a good curveball that he used to rack up the strikeouts in high school. The level of competition in New Jersey isn't highly rated though, and Comer will have to get used to pitching a lot more innings in pro ball. We'll have to wait for rookie-ball to start before we can get an idea of just how raw Comer really is.
23. Sean Nolin, LHP - Nolin's very much an under the radar prospect who quietly had a solid season in Lansing. He posted a 3.49 ERA in 108 1/3 innings pitched, but his defense didn't help him out that well: his FIP was lower at 3.16. At 21, he was a bit old for the level, although it was his first full season as a pro, I'd like to see him jump to AA in the middle of the 2012 season. Nolin's got a good changeup, which is probably the main reason for his high strikeout% at 25.3. His fastball seems to be high-80s, sometimes low-90s, which isn't that bad for a lefty, but the strength of his fastball is an important question mark, to me at least. His groundball rate was just 41%, so we'll have to watch the number of HRs Nolin gives up once he faces better hitters. Even with those reservations, we can not applaud AA and his scouting enough for his 2010 draft picks, when even the 6th and 7th rounders are striking out more than a quarter of the batters they face. Even if they don't get to start, they could become good bullpen arms.
22. Michael Crouse, RF - Partnering the impressive Jake Marisnick and Marcus Knecht in the Lansing outfield, Crouse, too, was very good. After a mediocre 2009 season in rookie-ball, Crouse repeated that level in 2010 and dominated it, with lots of power, but also a worryingly high strikeout-rate at almost 30%. He did get a sniff of A-ball that year, but in 2011 he had the full season to show what he could do at a higher level. Crouse didn't disappoint, with a .261/.352/.475 line (.386 wOBA), showing plenty of power, patience and speed (38/8 SB/CS). The one question mark is a big one: can he make enough contact? He did reduce the Ks to 26.8% from 30%, but that's still very high. Interestingly, a high percentage (much higher than either Marisnick or Knecht) of his strikeouts were looking, though I don't think we can conclude anything from that other than that Crouse has a patient approach even with two strikes. Defensively, Crouse has a great arm, but he also has plenty of speed to track down balls, and his defense shouldn't be a problem. The only question then, is whether he can make enough contact to use his very good power and speed.
21. Chris Hawkins, LF - Yet another outfielder, Hawkins is actually a converted shortstop/third baseman. Like Crouse, he's got speed (14/4 SB/CS in short-season) as one of his strengths, so his range should be fine, while his arm isn't seen as a liability either. Offensively, he hit .318/.375/.492 for Bluefield in the Appalachian League as a 19-year old. While neither his patience nor his power were as a good as Crouse's, Hawkins' strikeout-rate was much better at just 17.1%. This is the main reason he ranks higher than Crouse (for now), because the ability to make contact is such an important one, and extreme power and speed can often not compensate for inability to make contact at higher levels. I expect Hawkins to make the leap to Lansing next season, which would be the appropriate level for his age, just like it was for Crouse and Marisnick last season. Hopefully, he can keep hitting like he did in Bluefield.
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Nice Write-up
Little higher than what I’d have Sierra, but it’s reasonable and it’s more a personal skepticism on Sierra than anything.
Nolin might also be a tad high for my liking, since I think it’s less likely that he stays as a starter than others behind him, but still as you note very promising for a 6th rounder (especially him being a good sized lefty)
I see Sierra higher than that.
If the bat doesn’t come they can try him out on the mound, I see him having a lot of value as a prospect that way.
Apparently same thing for Gose
He threw 97 in high school, said in an interview last year that if a couple years down the road the hitting didn’t work out, he could always trying going back to pitching
97 from the left side..
shows how loud his other tools are, not many guys would get a shot at being a position player with that going for them as a high-schooler.
I'm sorry
But if you throw 97 in HS, what the heck are you doing as a position player.
by Mike Andrew on Feb 20, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Couple of reasons.
His control was spotty
His velocity severely decreased as the game went on.
He said he’d prefer being a position player, as he got a chance to play everyday.
by Adamthebluejay on Feb 20, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
One reason
He had shoulder problems according to Kevin Goldstein.
by Chris McC on Feb 20, 2012 10:53 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
would be very tough
To keep him under team control if they had to “restart” his development with the conversion, like what happened with Loewen. He’d have to move impossibly fast through the system as a pitcher, and if he did make it, it’d probably be with another team
by benk on Feb 20, 2012 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not necessarily
If you outrighted him off, to claim him, someone would would have to put him on their 40 man and keep him in the bigs (he’d be out of options, or the Jays would have used it), or they’d have to claim through Rule 5, which again means keeping him on the big league roster. My guess is, if he were good enough (developed enough) for either or those, the Jays find room, and otherwise, no one probably takes the bait.
Ideally, by that point the Jays will be in contention
so a non-contending team would find it easier to stash them on the 25-man roster than the Jays.
Also, with all the depth in the minors, eventually the 40-man roster will begin to fill out with more high end prospect talent, meaning there will be less and less room for those types of flyers.
by Playoffs!!!!1 on Feb 20, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
He'd be off the 40 man
Due to being out of options. Agreed that it’s possible someone else might be willing to stash line, but I doubt it – too many similar guys (potenitally decent relievers) were passed over in Rule 5 this year. Gose would essentially be a prospect on that order.
Relating this part to a top 33 (top 30 + 3 honorable mentions) list I did about a month ago for the Jays forum
Nolin (NR): I didn’t have Nolin in my top 33, as I thought his fastball was a question mark. I guess I’m just not convinced about his game just yet.
Crouse (12): I really like Crouse’s defense in RF, and I like his combination of plus power and plus speed. It’s the reason why I like him more than Knecht. While Knecht has good power himself and took more walks, his speed is just average and he’s able to make only slightly more contact than Crouse. Combine that with his average defense in LF, and I like Crouse’s tools and upside more. One of my main concerns about Crouse is his relatively slow bat speed, which I think may be a partial contributor to his high K rate and could be a concern as he moves to higher levels. Obviously, I am a much bigger fan of Crouse than most.
Hawkins (11): I originally had Hawkins at 12, but moved him above Crouse to 11, because the more I looked into his stats as well as his scouting reports, the more I really liked what I found. I wish there were clips of him so I can look at his swing and/or fielding, but from most reports his swing and fielding seems fine. Good bat, good power, good (underrated) speed, above average defense in LF with a good arm. He just seems like someone who doesn’t really have any glaring flaws in his play, though not many glaring strengths either. He’s not totally flashy, but he’s above average in most aspects of his game and it looks translatable as he moves to upper levels. Not as flashy or toolsy, but probably a safer pick than Crouse.
Sierra at 25 (Had him at 31) and Comer at 24 (Had him at 25; admittedly, I was somewhat conservative on 2011 draft picks) were probably the closest to my lists.
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This system disgusts me!
You replace all those 2s with 1s and you’ve got a pretty good looking 11-15. It almost doesn’t seem fair, especially because the guys behind these ones are the “too young to realistically put too high, but man do they have crazy upside” variety. So you can imagine what this list will look like next year, especially with another strong draft in June.
by T_Mizz on Feb 20, 2012 2:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I assume you're talking about strong draft as in us having a good one
Cuz all I’ve heard lately is how this draft class is vastly inferior to last year’s draft class
The Jays have the 5th highest draft budget based on the new CBA rules
Their available budget is very close to what they have spent the past 2 years (per year, not total), so even with a weaker draft class, the Jays should be able to get some good talent.
by Playoffs!!!!1 on Feb 20, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
I heard this draft was really deep with HS pitchers
Who said it was vastly inferior? (Not that I don’t believe you, I’m just interested in reading the article)
It is defintiely inferior, vastly might be a little strong
But mostly because last year’s was considered so good and so deep.
You’re right, the high school talent generally is considered very good, and there’s some really good high end pitching.
The college ranks are thinner (and sinc we don’t really draft college talent that much anymore it’s not so important), and I think it’s the college position players who are considered really, really weak and drag the overall draft down
not that you aren't saying implicitly, but
assuming that it is a weak pool of players in the college pool, it still does affect the Jays somewhat because teams that would otherwise be drafting college players might draft high school players instead, thinning out the pool of high school talent sooner than otherwise.
even teams that want signable players might resort to drafting reach picks if the signable players are almost certainly not MLB-bound
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of course
and that’s why I said less important rather than unimportant. The point is just, if the Jays under AA exhibited a strong preference for college talent in the top rounds, as they did under Riccardi, they would be much harder up than if their philosophy was oriented towards mostly prep players (as it has been).
While a weak college crop will mean the balance of players taken will probably lean more towards HS players than usual, there is still normal depth of HS players and there should be plenty of good options both at 17 and 22. Whereas it’ll be relatively slim pickings for college players.
How does wOBA work. I found it hard to imagine a player could have two separate values for the same stat. Does it work along the same lines as WA\R?
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Are you talking about Sierra's adjusted wOBA?
His adjusted wOBA is higher than his wOBA because his batted ball rates suggest he should have hit better
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
Ok, I missed the adjusted part...
Thanks
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by dannyofbosnia on Feb 20, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
To answer the broader question
It’s based on the average run values for the 24 base/outs possibilities. These are calclated by different sites, and may use different data to get them – one site may use only one yuear’s data, another may use a three year average, so that can produce slightly different wOBA values (as Pikachu said, this isn’t the reason here, but it is possible to see different wOBA values from different sources for the same season).
to expound a bit more,
I’m pretty sure this means that, in a good hitting season, a homerun (for example) is more likely to come with men on base than it would be in a good pitching year, so the hitting season HR should bring up a player’s wOBA (ever so) slightly more.
If that’s true (and I’m not certain, though I do think it is, someone please correct me if I’m wrong, I haven’t read up as much on linear weights as maybe should have so I’m just going by straightforward logic here), it underlines why wRC+ is a better tool for comparisons across years and leagues . . . NL average wOBA was .341 in 2000 and .327 in 2001. Todd Helton’s wOBA declined by 20 points (.476 to .456, can’t say enough about that wonderful duff . . . errr . . . Coors) but his wRC+ was virtually the same (161 to 160).
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