Alvarez hit on foot playing catch. Should be fine JF says
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Hooray for bruises!???!!?
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Feb 26, 2012 1:24 PM EST reply actions
Tell that to Brad Bergesen.
Cherington has taken off his pants and he’s shitting all over my hopes for 2012
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 10, 2012 12:31 PM CST
by SandalsNoPants on Feb 26, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Thank god it's not a tear or arm related
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
w00t
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looks like we won't need to make a trade for our savior...
by STZ513 on Feb 26, 2012 2:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Could have just tweeted that he has a booboo.
Infroming Americans that Toronto has a baseball team since 2008.
by jay_fan_inda_swamp on Feb 26, 2012 4:07 PM EST reply actions
A Point Though
Someone we’re all counting on right now is going to go down in Spring Training. Happens every year…
Geez… aren’t these guys professional players? How do you hit a guy in the foot playing catch?
Here's my attempt at a witty sig. Didn't really go so well, methinks.
Wise men wonder, while strong men die.
I know and how would that hurt?
I don't always have exams, but when I do they are DURING the Jays home opener.
not only hurt, but require the guy to be carted off the field.
Cherington has taken off his pants and he’s shitting all over my hopes for 2012
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 10, 2012 12:31 PM CST
by SandalsNoPants on Feb 26, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
I've taken a full speed pitch off the foot. You wouldn't need a cart lol. Maybe Jays were being superrr protective.
I don't always have exams, but when I do they are DURING the Jays home opener.
I've taken a full speed pitch off my instep
Well it was a batted ball but I still ended up where I couldn’t walk not funny for weeks. (or at all for the first 24 hours)
I hate 1B </3
by Mike Andrew on Feb 26, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I fouled a ball off my foot once and was so scared for the incoming pain.
Didn’t feel anything. Guess you just got to get hit in the right spot. 1B is where it’s at btw!
I don't always have exams, but when I do they are DURING the Jays home opener.
Brutal exam sched, btw.
Here's my attempt at a witty sig. Didn't really go so well, methinks.
Wise men wonder, while strong men die.
3 finals in 24 hours at the end of the week too.
What can ya do :(
I don't always have exams, but when I do they are DURING the Jays home opener.
Is there no provision to defer one of your exams if you have 3 in 24 hours?
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by Minor Leaguer on Feb 27, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
It's a process I don't feel like going through especially since once I finish them I can go to the Jays/Orioles game the day after.
I could defer one to the next week making me stay in town for a few more days but I decided I’ll just bear down and get through em.
I don't always have exams, but when I do they are DURING the Jays home opener.
Best of luck
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by Minor Leaguer on Feb 27, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
i still don't have my schedule yet
weee
Think before you post!
by Bowling_Guy25 on Feb 27, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
You're at Western right?
I don't always have exams, but when I do they are DURING the Jays home opener.
we know when they start though, right?
by leaflover4ever on Feb 27, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
there is an exam period on the calender yeah
do i know it? nope
Think before you post!
by Bowling_Guy25 on Feb 27, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
maybe the guy who drives the cart
has a real take charge kind of attitude.
If he was throwing breaking balls it means it wasn’t just tossing it back and forth it was throwing hard. And as for why taking the cart precaution. If it cracked the bone you don’t want to put weight on it in case you snap it fully. Or if its already fully broken you don’t want the bones to shift or else it takes longer to heal as you have to set the foot.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
Why is there no baseball news!?
BBB is supposed to get me through the work day, and the Blue Jays are severely disappointing me right now.
@VagabondBansal
bengie molina retired
thats news!
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Feb 27, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Can we put up an OT thread?
Who would you rather have as our backup Catcher, Recently retired Bengie Molina or Jeff Mathis?
@VagabondBansal
Mathis should be starting IMO
so chalk that down as 1-0 Mathis.
I am open to either starting
Because I feel Mathis’s lack offensively and JPA’s lack defensively cancel each other out so I really think we get the same record from doing either. Let’s put it this way, I’d play JPA in the spirit of him improving but I’m not going to cry myself to sleep if I watch Mathis behind the plate for a couple games as I truly believe they are equals.
I don’t want to open this can of worms again but I also believe in the elusive “game calling” attribute. Feel free to disagree (I really don’t want to open this up for debate, as we established I believe in it and you guys don’t) but that’s just IMO.
Here's what I'd like
You claim they are equals. I obviously disagree, but there’s a lot we don’t know about catcher defence. So, here’s what I’d be interested in…let’s assume each got 500 PAs and the equivalent amount of defensive time. For each, indicate how you rate them on each of the following dimensions, in terms of runs created/destroyed relative to average (feel free to add any you find relevant):
- Offence
- Baserunning
- Game calling
- Control the running game (throwing out runners/preventing steals)
- Preventing/allowing passed balls
- Pitch framing
So for example, last year Arencibia had a 92 wRC+, which is slightly below average. Let’s say you thought he would be the same this year…that might translate to -3 runs compared to average in 500 PA.
I'm a tad confused
I think that list covers it except for wild pitches. Even though wild pitches are the pitchers fault, they still can be kept down thanks to good catching.
I think offense goes to JPA, with Mathis being 26 wRC+ which is 66 runs less than JPA.
Pitch framing is 19.2 for Mathis and -12.9 for JPA so that is like 32.1 runs difference so that is 33.9 runs.
Preventing steals is 3% difference so figure another 3-4 runs so make it around 30 runs,
And I think game calling alone is 30 runs but that’s just my opinion.
Passed balls and wild pitches are just gravy IMO. I’m bad with numbers, I’m sure you will be able to build a much more accurate model.
Okay
Sorry if I confused…I meant I wanted you to give numbers for each of those 6 categories, for each of JPA and Mathis. Which would basically did. I just meant if there was another thing you used to evaluate catchers that I didn’t list, feel to add. Also, wild pitched are included with passed balls in the same study as passed balls – since it’s basically an artificial distinction like errors.
A couple thoughts…wRC+ is not scaled to runs, so you can’t say 92-26 = 66 more runs for JPA. Also, while Mathis might have had a 26 wRC+ last year, he projects much higher for next year.
If I did the same, would estimate the following:
Hitting – JPA basically average, Mathis replacement level. Call it 20 runs more for JPA
Baserunning – no difference
Game calling – not studied or measured, so no difference
Running game – 3-4 runs sounds fine
Mathis replacement level
Greatest compliment he’s recieved around here ever.
Here's my attempt at a witty sig. Didn't really go so well, methinks.
Wise men wonder, while strong men die.
by Cam Oegema on Feb 27, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Still it's decently close
Pitch framing almost makes up the 16-17 runs we need to be even.
Although it may be true that Mathis shouldn’t start, we should stop picking on him as our backup. He is quite capable. If game calling was quantifiable I think Mathis would kill JPA. People argue that Mathis gets his calls from the bench but SP still performed way better when Mathis was catching than the other catcher in LA.
I think we both learned something, that they are closer than we think.
Thanks for the note on the wRC+ btw, I feel smarter cause of it :)
Pitch framing
I was some reservations about taking those numbers too literally. It’s one study, and while it was a good one, I had some concerns about how the effect is actually calculated, ans seperated due to the nature of how catcher pairing and what not occurs…so when I think about numbers, I think they have to be regressed towards average somewhat.
thought I remember reading
that the guy who did that study retracted his findings..or changed them, I can’t remember for sure.
People argue that Mathis gets his calls from the bench but SP still performed way better when Mathis was catching than the other catcher in LA.
Mathis is the personal catcher to guys like Weaver and Haren. Obviously his numbers as a catcher (CERA and whatever) will be better. Look at splits by Chatwood, Pineiro, and Ervin Santana. They’re much worse when Mathis is catching than they are with Conger or Bobby Wilson.
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
Fair enough
I still think if the stat was quantifiable Jeff Mathis > Arencebia by at least a bit.
I learned a lot from posting on this fanshot but I still don’t change my views much at all other than Mathis is a superb backup.
by Mike Andrew on Feb 27, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
I would take a pylon over mathis
just hijack a thread and make it OT, not like there are intense debates going on in this one
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Feb 27, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
How much WAR does this "pylon" put up?
And what’s his salary?
We'll pay his owner half of Mathis's salary
And 0 WAR, The pitcher throws into it every time, and we DH for him, let the pitchers hit. Worth more then Mathis last year
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
by jaysfan100 on Feb 27, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this guy gets it
Think before you post!
by Bowling_Guy25 on Feb 27, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Havne't looked deep into it
But seems like it’s a doubt winner…hard to lose when you buy out anyone’s arb years for $7+options
I'm thinking of doing the same.
I don't always have exams, but when I do they are DURING the Jays home opener.
Lot’s of great, relatively cheap seats left. I’m paying more for worse seats at the home opener in Toronto.
I'm going to look now and see what's avaliable.
If I go I can thank you for kickstarting me lol.
I don't always have exams, but when I do they are DURING the Jays home opener.
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