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Glad to see someone else thinks we could do well this year.

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Al Yellon for president!!

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by Bowling_Guy25 on Feb 7, 2012 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

Show me the birth certificate!

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Feb 7, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Playoffs!!1!

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by JaysfanDL on Feb 7, 2012 1:25 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Good read.

I for one (maybe the only one) believe they will contend for the playoffs (division title) this year.

by Alan F. on Feb 7, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

if everything goes better then expected

catch a little magic, sure we can. we have the talent/skill
it just needs to show itself all at once

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by Bowling_Guy25 on Feb 7, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

In the 18 seasons since, Toronto has had eight winning seasons, nine losing ones and one .500 season — last year. They’ve never been really good — 88 wins is the most they’ve had in that span — but never been really bad, either, losing more than 90 just once since 1993.

Of course we all knew this, but it struck me: Can anypne thing of another team in professional sports that over two decades has been as, or more, .500-like?

by MjwW on Feb 7, 2012 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

nah forget that, thinking on it they haven’t been like that at all.

by ABsteve on Feb 7, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Seahawks?

other than that one year they went to the superbowl

by STZ513 on Feb 7, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

This hurts...

When the original question was asked, me being a diehard Seahawks fans as well as a diehard Jays fan, immediately thought Seahawks! I’ve often told this to my father for years, that the Jays and Seahawks are the most consistently mediocre/500. teams in pro sports. The fact that another human being suggested the same is validation that I support two of the most middling teams in pro sports. Thanks, kinda..

Thank you Marshawn Lynch... I now yell "Beast Mode" when fighting my way through NYC's subways!

by NYSeaCoug on Feb 12, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the Jays were the most .500 team ever last year

Jays were never more than 5 games under or 4 games over in 2011.

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by Minor Leaguer on Feb 7, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Consistency!!1

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by Frag on Feb 7, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

On one hand..

we are more consistent than the Red Sux, on the other hand they won more games than us :(

In AA we trust.

by bluejays13 on Feb 7, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The Jays are the Jerry Seinfeld of Sports Teams

Even Steven. One friend goes up, one goes down.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Feb 7, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If Morrow, Rasmus, and Snider break out

The Jays could win the division, that’s a huge long shot, but not improbable, lot of high ceiling guys coming into their prime together, I think the potential for a Cinderella season is there.

by ABsteve on Feb 7, 2012 2:32 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

yessss

and McGowan will be the center of it with his #2 starter like games

Baseball gods like Cinderella stories =D

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by Bowling_Guy25 on Feb 7, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

That sounds pretty improbable to me. There are a lot of things to suggest each guy could play well this year, but I’m assuming by break out I take it you mean start playing up to their highest potential. I’d be really happy if you could say that about 2 of the 3 by seasons end, all 3 is very unlikely imo

But hey, here’s hoping I am supremely wrong with this post

by Aidin on Feb 7, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he meant

a huge long shot but not impossible

by benk on Feb 7, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Im expecting a lot from Morrow and Rasmus

I dont know if Snider will get enough PAs to show us what hes got

by STZ513 on Feb 7, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I've thought for a while...

That when the Jeter/Rivera/Posada/Pettite core began to deteriorate, the Yankees will have it a lot tougher. They can sign guys, sure, but their brand will change and there’s a lot of intangibles (even mystique?) that are irreplaceable, making them less of a force.

Given that Boston is turning enigmatic (although very talented), the door is open a crack more this year. The Rays and their pitching will have them in the mix in September.

The first-half of the season is going to be a lot of fun to watch as guys like Rasmus, Snider, Morrow, McGowan, and the new bullpen fall into their own.

Can’t wait.

"Subdue the enemy without fighting" ~ Sun Tzu

by kdlishus on Feb 7, 2012 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

That's not losing intangibles for the Yankees

It’s losing key players at hard to fill positions. The Yanks benefitted for years from above average hitting at SS and C with Jeter and Posada. Rivera may just be the best relief pitcher of all time and Pettitte was an above average starter. The pitchers may be easier to replace but finding above average pitching is a challenger for every ballclub.

The Yanks will be on the decline soon. The teams I worry about are Boston and Tampa Bay, especially Tampa (at least for the next few years until everyone becomes too expensive).

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by JaysfanDL on Feb 7, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not just losing players for the Yankees

It’s more the fact that the core they haven’t gotten rid of is aging and becoming less effective. Jeter had a bit of an offensive bounce-back last year, but was it a dead cat bounce or an actual recovery? Certainly, he’s more and more of a pylon on defense, and when combined with a declining A-Roid, the Yankees pitchers have to start worrying about ground balls to the left side.

The Yankees do have some nice youngish players, but Gardner and Martin are the only regular position players who are on the right side of 30 and only just.

by siggian on Feb 7, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

They may always be good because of their resources...

… but I think their run of greatness and WS triumphs is done very soon.

"Subdue the enemy without fighting" ~ Sun Tzu

by kdlishus on Feb 7, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I omitted him by mistake

Yes, Cano is 29 and won’t turn 30 until November, so yes I should have included him.

I think I must have misread the 11 in the month for a 1 and thus struck him off the under 30 list.

Still, at 29, he’s at his peak and the decline has already started, although it’s gentle at this point in his aging arc.

by siggian on Feb 8, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Performance was a given

… and assumed in my take. Replacing both performance and intangibles (the brand of Yankee ball for 20 years) is going to be hard for them. How can they find a closer anywhere close to Rivera and as productive a bat as Jeter and Posada at their positions? There are just a lot of questions there in the next 5 years that free agency and their minor league system cannot clearly answer for them. I would love to be able to run out 4 guys for a decade like they did and know exactly what you will get from them.

"Subdue the enemy without fighting" ~ Sun Tzu

by kdlishus on Feb 7, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope this happens, but I'm not expecting it.

There’s always a chance, I guess.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Feb 7, 2012 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

My prediction: 92-70

.500 pythag.

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by neilrqm on Feb 7, 2012 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

That’s a much more reasonable expectation than expecting an 11 game outperofrmance of Pthag expectations

by MjwW on Feb 7, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I’m predicting that their run differential will be worse than expected but their W-L total will be way better than expected. It will be completely unprecedented (I assume).

"Captain Picard Day is for the children." : Captain Picard
"Wu-Tang is for the children." : ODB

by neilrqm on Feb 7, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

okay

but run differential (in my books) is a very good estimation of true talent (at least for future projections) and I think 81 win true talent is pretty low

by benk on Feb 7, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I couldn’t come up with a reason not to use Pythagorean record as the ground truth for talent (ex post facto), but decided to barrel forward anyway.

As a retcon, I’m going to predict, say, a .330 team pitcher BABIP and a .240 team hitter BABIP, with peripheral stats in line for a .525 pythag. (Don’t run those numbers.)

"Captain Picard Day is for the children." : Captain Picard
"Wu-Tang is for the children." : ODB

by neilrqm on Feb 7, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Forgetting running them….I can hardly make sense of them

by MjwW on Feb 7, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If you can get that hardly down to not, we can put this one to bed.

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"Wu-Tang is for the children." : ODB

by neilrqm on Feb 8, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

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