Of Angels and Angles: 6/16 Game Thread - Angels at Jays
Thursday, August 16 - Toronto, Ontario
7:07 PM (EDT)
Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Chone Figgins 3b Orlando Cabrera ss Vladimir Guererro rf Garrett Anderson dh Gary Matthews, Jr cf Casey Kothchman 1b Macier Izturis 2b Jeff Mathis c Reggie Willits lf Pitching: Kelvim Escobar, RHP |
Toronto Blue Jays Reed Johnson lf Lyle Overbay 1b Alexis Rios rf Vernon Wells cf Frank Thomas dh Troy Glaus 3b Aaron Hill 2b Greg Zaun c Ray Olmedo ss Pitching: Dustin McGowan, RHP |
While I inflict Decemberists references on everyone, the Jays go for the sweep tonight against the Angels. With the offense still showing no signs of emerging from its summer hibernation and Kelvim Escobar in the midst of a fantastic stretch (1.60 ERA in his last 7 starts) in a very fine season (12-6, 2.74 ERA, 115 K / 50 BB), it looks like the Jays will need a good start from Dustin McGowan. McGowan is 8-6 with a very respectable 4.12 ERA and reasonably good peripherals (83/41 K/BB).
For the Jays, Ray Olmedo gets the start, Sparky returns to LF, and Glaus is still healthy enough to play.
John Brattain has an interesting article on the Jays' offensive struggles this season. To summarize Brattain's point, John Gibbons has cost the Jays a chance at a playoff spot this season by refusing to use outs in order to move runners along. While it is not an unqualified call for small-ball, I think what Brattain is saying is that what the Jays have been doing is clearly not working, and Gibbons has shown his lack of vision and creativity by refusing to try different tactics just because they cut against his and JP's philosophy that outs should not be given away.
While I understand Brattain's point and I agree that Gibbons should be taken to task for failing to get more out of his offense this season or at least try to do so, I disagree with his desire to see the Jays make use of the productive out. I certainly understand the frustration (after all, I've been watching all season) with an offense that just hasn't been doing its job, particularly with runners on. However, I don't think sac bunts are the answer. For starters, the sac bunt isn't a particularly useful play, even if it works. Second, it doesn't even work 100% of the time, and when it fails it can be disastrous (to the inning). Third, the Jays are not particularly proficient at bunting - McDonald is probably the best, and he's by no means great. Sparky can bunt, but he's better at bunting his way on than sac bunting. The rest of the team do not bunt well. Fourth, with Thomas and Glaus (and perhaps Overbay) the best on the team at getting on base, bunts will have to be better than usual to move the runners up, and Glaus and Thomas both have leg/foot injury histories so you may not want to tax their lower bodies. Fifth, and perhaps most significantly, I think the Jays' biggest problem offensively has been failing to collect hits with runners in scoring position, particularly with two outs. Sac bunting isn't really going to help with that very much (it might lead to a few more sac fly or groundout RBI situations). August is a bit of an outlier because of the complete dearth of HRs, but that's how I see it anyway. The hit and run, which, to his credit, Brattain doesn't mention, is an even worse move.
Everyone seems to be saying that the Jays need to use more small-ball tactics, but I don't think it would help. Those tactics might work for a team well set up for them (this series aside, the Angels have had good offense despite very little power) but for a team like the Jays, I think it would just make a bad situation even worse, or no better. I would like to see a few more straight steals, but that's more of my bias as an old basestealing lag in my playing days than anything else.
Well, that's enough of that for now, time to play with the baby and put her to bed. What do y'all think? (not about the baby, haha)
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People thought Hill should have bunted last night.
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 7:06 PM EDT
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A nice reliant automobile
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Aug 16, 2007 7:11 PM EDT
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The Anaheim Chop
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Aug 16, 2007 7:12 PM EDT
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6-4-3
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Aug 16, 2007 7:13 PM EDT
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I should've mentioned
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Aug 16, 2007 7:14 PM EDT
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You know it's a good inning
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Aug 16, 2007 7:14 PM EDT
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old friend Esco
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 7:15 PM EDT
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little sarge
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Aug 16, 2007 7:16 PM EDT
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Sparky bloops one in
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Aug 16, 2007 7:16 PM EDT
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Hit & Run was on
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Aug 16, 2007 7:17 PM EDT
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hitting and running
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 7:20 PM EDT
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It wasn't the hit and run that was the problem
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Aug 16, 2007 7:21 PM EDT
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that is true
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 7:22 PM EDT
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He was running toward where the ball was hit
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 7:23 PM EDT
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yes
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 7:24 PM EDT
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Would explain all his terrible bunts
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 7:26 PM EDT
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rios and wells
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 7:23 PM EDT
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Fallacy of Predetermined Outcome
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 7:25 PM EDT
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It's easy
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 7:28 PM EDT
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wow
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 7:29 PM EDT
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It's easy
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 7:30 PM EDT
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We looked pretty bad that inning.
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 7:39 PM EDT
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did we ever
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 7:41 PM EDT
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Don't walk a .200 hitter!
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 7:40 PM EDT
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They got their hit and run to 'work'
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 7:43 PM EDT
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Love the announcers defending small-ball
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 7:44 PM EDT
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despite the two runs
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 7:47 PM EDT
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Based on linear extrapolation we will be shut out
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 7:49 PM EDT
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another lackluster inning
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 7:55 PM EDT
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If it's any consolation
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 7:56 PM EDT
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shockingly
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:07 PM EDT
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He was hitting bunt singles last season
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:10 PM EDT
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I'd imagine we will see Lind again
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:12 PM EDT
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We already have Stairs as an option vs. Righties.
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:13 PM EDT
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true
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:18 PM EDT
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Lind is also apparently getting a reputation
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:19 PM EDT
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I have also read that
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:21 PM EDT
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to back up my dh idea
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Aug 16, 2007 8:21 PM EDT
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Of course his vesting option keys on games
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:24 PM EDT
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McGowan loses Matthews
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Aug 16, 2007 7:59 PM EDT
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Stolen base on a pitchout
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Aug 16, 2007 8:01 PM EDT
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But we strand him
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:05 PM EDT
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Didn't look very good that inning either
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:12 PM EDT
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we're not really making Escobar throw
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:15 PM EDT
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A nice reliant automobile
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:14 PM EDT
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That was a worrying pitch from McGowan
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:16 PM EDT
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It's easy
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:17 PM EDT
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good inning
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:19 PM EDT
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Bases empty, 3-0 count
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:20 PM EDT
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And we stink out loud
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:25 PM EDT
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It's easy
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:28 PM EDT
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It's doubly easy
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:30 PM EDT
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We'd better score now
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:31 PM EDT
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if we can get one
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:31 PM EDT
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at least mcgowan
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:31 PM EDT
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Mike Wilner from Fan 590's claim:
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Aug 16, 2007 8:32 PM EDT
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My counter-claim:
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Aug 16, 2007 9:00 PM EDT
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If Zaun could throw baseballs like he throws bats
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:33 PM EDT
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heh
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:33 PM EDT
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of course ending with a K
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:34 PM EDT
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The 3-1 pitch looked good to hit
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:35 PM EDT
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olmedo
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:35 PM EDT
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A one out rally?
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Aug 16, 2007 8:35 PM EDT
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sparky with the RBI
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:38 PM EDT
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What's he batting now, .333?
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:39 PM EDT
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could platoon Olmedo and Mac, I guess
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:41 PM EDT
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Overbay follows with his second hit the other way
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Aug 16, 2007 8:39 PM EDT
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That's a good sign
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:41 PM EDT
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Playing for the 3 run homer sounds so greedy
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Aug 16, 2007 8:40 PM EDT
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I like that a lot
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:41 PM EDT
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Rios gotten
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Aug 16, 2007 8:43 PM EDT
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Wells has had doubles ability lately
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Aug 16, 2007 8:43 PM EDT
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when in trouble you
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Aug 16, 2007 8:43 PM EDT
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That's so terrible
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:44 PM EDT
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not a darkwing duck fan
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:44 PM EDT
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I liked it okay
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:45 PM EDT
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Darkwing Duck, I mean
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Aug 16, 2007 8:45 PM EDT
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something depressing
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:47 PM EDT
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Would you prefer a Bobblearm?
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Aug 16, 2007 8:47 PM EDT
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who would've thought
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:48 PM EDT
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Because we've had good starts
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:51 PM EDT
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I think Rios suffers from a lack of protection
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Aug 16, 2007 8:47 PM EDT
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that's why I like Rios up in the order
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:50 PM EDT
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I think we could have declared Rios 3/Wells 4
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Aug 16, 2007 8:51 PM EDT
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nice defense there lyle
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 8:52 PM EDT
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That sinks his gold glove chances.
by Torgen on
Aug 16, 2007 8:52 PM EDT
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i officially
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Aug 16, 2007 8:53 PM EDT
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And now Gibbons comes out
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Aug 16, 2007 8:55 PM EDT
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2-6
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Aug 16, 2007 8:57 PM EDT
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It's easy
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Aug 16, 2007 8:59 PM EDT
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We are all about warning track power
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Aug 16, 2007 9:07 PM EDT
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Good inning for Wolfe
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Aug 16, 2007 9:17 PM EDT
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escobar out
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Aug 16, 2007 9:18 PM EDT
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taking 3-1
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Aug 16, 2007 9:19 PM EDT
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Zaun keeps on truckin'
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Aug 16, 2007 9:20 PM EDT
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Stairs punched out
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Aug 16, 2007 9:21 PM EDT
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Johnson into the FC
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Aug 16, 2007 9:24 PM EDT
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Downs
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Aug 16, 2007 9:32 PM EDT
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And a defensive lapse by Overbay
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Aug 16, 2007 9:32 PM EDT
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See the bluejays.com notes column today?
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Aug 16, 2007 9:32 PM EDT
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I saw that
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Aug 16, 2007 9:39 PM EDT
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oh vernon
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Aug 16, 2007 9:38 PM EDT
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If we'd spread the runs from our 15-4 win
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Aug 16, 2007 9:39 PM EDT
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frank getting in on the act
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Aug 16, 2007 9:39 PM EDT
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So Glaus is the tying run?
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Aug 16, 2007 9:40 PM EDT
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Glaus walks easily
by hugo on
Aug 16, 2007 9:41 PM EDT
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tough break
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Aug 16, 2007 9:42 PM EDT
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c'mon Zaun
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Aug 16, 2007 9:43 PM EDT
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wow
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Aug 16, 2007 9:44 PM EDT
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I wonder if they pitch around stairs?
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Aug 16, 2007 9:45 PM EDT
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well
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Aug 16, 2007 9:48 PM EDT
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Our lack of homers in the ninth
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Aug 16, 2007 10:06 PM EDT
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Guh... dynamic.fmpub.net sucks
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Aug 16, 2007 9:48 PM EDT
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Tigers are beating the Yanks
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Aug 16, 2007 10:02 PM EDT
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Tough Game
Discouraging loss. Dustin pitched OK.
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Aug 17, 2007 12:10 AM EDT
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Overbay's OBP vs. RHP this month is .395
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Aug 17, 2007 12:32 AM EDT
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Decemberists
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Aug 17, 2007 12:53 AM EDT
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