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Glaus Linked To Steroids

Well, news broke today that Troy Glaus received steroids through what appears to be an illegal internet distribution network. This allegedly occurred between September 2003 and May 2004, when the shipped substances, testosterone and nalderon, were on MLB's banned substances list. Glaus, then with the Angels, missed much of the 2003 season with a tear in his right rotator cuff and frayed labrum and underwent season-ending major shoulder surgery in 2004.

This was already noted by Torgen in a diary but I wanted to say my piece as well.

I know most bloggers don't agree with me on the steroid issue and basically don't care what players used banned substances. On the other side, the media is ridiculously sensationalistic about the issue, after doing virtually nothing about it during the days where it was obvious that many players were on the juice. I agree with the bloggers that there is not a lot of evidence to suggest that taking steroids improves one's baseball performance, or by how much. But that's about as far as I go.

I don't think this is a question of demonizing anyone, nor do I think it particularly matters how much, if at all, steroids aid your baseball performance. The players believe it does, even those who don't use.

I'm of the opinion that you either believe in fair play or you don't. I do, and won't root for someone I believe is a clear cheater. Granted, this is subjective and I do not give people the benefit of trial by jury, but I believe that those protections are appropriate for our judicial system (which uses trial by jury to deprive people of their rights and freedoms), not our own personal feelings about people (which do not).

In my own profession (law), I have seen people cut corners and cheat, and use that to get ahead. The payoff is huge, Giambi-contract huge. (Incidentally, Giambi complaining publically and bitterly about Ichiro winning the MVP instead of himself, after he spent the entire season cheating, is perhaps one of the low all-time moments in sports.) I have also seen the contrary. In my career, I try to model myself after people who practice fair play, and I don't apply any different rules to being a baseball fan. You can apply the argument that people cheat and have always cheated to any profession, not just baseball - but I have always been of the point of view that anything that is worth caring about is worth being done fairly. I love baseball and therefore care that it is played in a fair manner. I don't think this makes me naive because I understand that cheating exists, has always existed, and probably will always exist, but I don't think that makes me obligated to accept it. quite the opposite.

If Glaus received and took steroids without a prescription while on the banned substances list, he violated the rules of baseball (cheating, by definition), and the controlled substances laws of the United States. Of course, I don't dislike Troy and would not villify him or other players. I understand why someone would take steroids, but I won't root for such a person or teach my daughter (future HS/College Athlete if her genes are any indication!) to do so, not because I think someone who uses steroids has an unfair advantage or is a bad person, but because I believe in fair play and because I love baseball and because anything you love doing is worth doing properly.

Chengy, I agree with your point in the diary about how players should have access to the best medical attention, but I don't think that argument washes here. That's why steroids are often prescribed for medical reasons. In that case, they're not against the law, nor against the rules of baseball. If it is for medical purposes, it is very easy to get a prescription rather than ordering from an illegal internet company.

Well, I have soapboxed enough for now, but just wanted to get my thoughts out there.

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Hugo
I'm really disappointed with Troy.  Like any sports fan, I'd like to think the team I root for doesn't do bad things, but I'm also jaded to realize that it don't matter what uniform they wear.

I guess my reaction is different than my harsh feelings towards Bonds, mostly because Bonds is a sad excuse of a human being in everything but baseball.

If MLB has to suspend Troy, then well so be it.

You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. Jim Bouton

by TOBlues on Sep 7, 2007 8:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2008: Another wasted season
50 games without Glaus, and without a good replacement for him in our system, sounds like a good way not to compete next year either. And who's going to trade for a guy who's suspended?
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Sep 10, 2007 2:08 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would be surprised
if Troy gets suspended.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 10, 2007 6:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Glaus
I did say I do condone use of steroids and other supplements in the aid of injury recovering.

I didn't really argue my point to completion but I generally dislike the negative aura around steroids, HGH etc. when it does have a good purpose.

Even as a doctor, giving an athlete a prescription with steroids is generally cited with great criticism despite its merit. (Look at the WWE with the Chris Benoit situation)

I feel that the outright banning of certain supplements and PEDs is detrimental as they should be acceptable when using them for injury.

I just want to make it clear. I am not backing Glaus. Hugo, you are right that he is obviously in the wrong to have his name on a list that was clearly used to cover up their names in using "prescribed" drugs.

I just really dislike it when it is jumped to conclusions by the media that taking this and that is bad regardless of the circumstance.

by achengy on Sep 7, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point about doctors
being stigmatized for prescribing steroids. And I think you're totally right about the media and how ridiculous they are about the whole steroids thing.

How would you feel though, if, for example (and I'm sure this isn't the case here, but just bear with me) it was shown to be likely that steroid use contributed to Troy's lower leg problems, and those problems caused him to miss most of the next two seasons at a huge cost to the Jays (who were unable to insure his contract because of the increased cost associated with doing so)?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 8, 2007 6:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then
it would be an issue related to the Jays' organizational thinking or medical staff... I do not think that Troy, being a baseball player, had any knowledge regarding the link of his potential leg injury... His medical advisors would be the one to know... or of course the blue jays Dr's should have perhaps noticed something before making the trade...

The steroids he seemed to have taken for recovery reasons (he wasn't playing much in the alledged seasons... Were steroids helping him be the WS MVP? It's impossible to tell... and quite useless...

My inclination is that he used those drugs to speed up recovery time and he did it under an aura of silence because of the stigma attached (if one player gets legally perscribed steroids... it will make both a mess and a joke of the MLB drug policy) but I agree that if the MLB had a policy in place he should be punished accordingly to the time such a violation has been PROVEN...

As for stuff about fair play... what ever do you mean?

Personally I think the US drug policy is a big bunk... just because the laws are there should be marginalize every pot smoker because he is not following the rules of conduct and thus deemed as guilty of "unfair play"? I certainly do not agree with such a rule...

by rontal on Sep 9, 2007 2:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you're probably right about Troy
My point is that it's at least possible that the medical stigma against prescribing steroids is due to legitimate medical concerns about trading short-term benefits for long-term detriment. Using steroids for "injury recovery" is, medically speaking, really no different from using it for weightlifting, since in both cases you are using it to more rapidly recover damage to muscular tissue.

As for the fair play issue, I think the U.S. drug laws are a bit of a red herring. Unlike pot, athletes who use steroids are specifically doing so to give them an advantage in play. That advantage is specifically prohibited by MLB, so it is, by definition, cheating. Using pot might violate some player code-of-conduct (I have no idea) but isn't cheating because it has nothing to do with one's play on the field. Of course, there's very little known about how much steroids actually assist a player, and I suspect the effects aren't major, but it is the purpose of using, not the effect, that is more relevant.

I would never say that steroid users are bad people, because I don't think that's the case at all. But they are, by definition, cheaters. I prefer not to root for cheaters. If a different Jay player were caught smoking pot, I wouldn't care because it wouldn't to me reflect negatively on the player as a person, but it would also have nothing whatsoever to do with fair play. You can think the US drug laws are ridiculous and still be against steroid usage in sports, because even if steroids weren't illegal, baseball could still prohibit them if they wanted to. Filing the ball isn't illegal, but it's against the rules of baseball, therefore, cheating.

The medical issue, though, is that I myself have watched young players use steroids illegally. I never observed any long-term negative medical effects, but it was understood by everyone, including the players using, that those young players were incuring possible long-term health detriments in exchange for possible short-term benefits. If that's the case, it's appropriate for the medical community as a whole to make the decision to "stigmatize" prescribing steroids for such purposes (although it's certainly possible that medical community is wrong.) Concurrently, it might be dumb for baseball to take the position that it is cheating to use steroids, but that's the rule, so anyone who violates it is a cheater, irrespective of whether the drug laws underlying the MLB policy are good laws.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 9, 2007 3:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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